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Tuesday, January 15, 2013

重演甲午戰爭可救香港

只要中國一天還奉行極權統治,香港不僅二○一七年不可能有普選,即使二○四七年也不可能。一個極權中央政府容許一個地方政府有普選,恐怕在人類歷史上還未發生過吧。

中國獨裁者最怕丟臉,香港一旦有普選,實在太令他們難堪了。香港警方就副總理李克強訪港的行動指令,就提到要「避免領導人難堪」,中國領導人為了捍衞哀家極其容易受傷的弱小心靈,可以做出極其幼稚和瘋狂的事來。

主流觀點認為,中國沒民主,香港不可能有民主。香港民主由此被綑綁上了中國這個半開化流氓大國,真是冤大頭啊。羅素說:「中國總是一切規則的例外。」看到中國人的纏足白癡玩意一搞就搞了過千年還不肯收手,誰還敢說中國未來幾百年一定就能開出民主來!我則認為,即使中國沒民主,要是香港盡其所能向中國攤牌,境況總會比現在任其魚肉好。中國人的民族性是欺善怕惡,吃硬不吃軟。我還沒有見過更習慣說如何如何百般無奈、逼不得已地接受現實的民族。

但除了以上兩條路,原來香港的民主死局還有第三條路。那就是甲午戰爭重演,日本大敗中國。

一八九五年,那個當年被輕蔑為蕞爾小國,今天被輕蔑為小日本的日本竟然把推行洋務運動已三十餘載,並號稱世界第六大海軍強國亞洲第一大軍事強國的中國殺個片甲不留。中國那次慘敗對滿清政權是壞事,但對於認清滿清的腐敗,動搖滿清政權的權威,和推進孫中山的革命事業,卻是天大好事。更大的貢獻是,中國簽下《馬關條約》,被迫承認朝鮮為獨立國,撤出朝鮮半島,並割讓台灣等地予日本,這令朝鮮和台灣得以擺脫中國,最後發展出今天的南韓和台灣這兩個民主國家。

現在,日中關係日見緊張,並有啟戰之虞。我相信,以中國之極度腐敗與欺上瞞下死性,兩國一旦開戰,日本將重演大衞與哥利亞之戰,以小勝大,大敗中國。果如是,這對中國和香港都簡直是福從天降。

對於中國,這可一挫中國愚民與中國暴君極不健康的盛世氣燄,令他們反思中國的體制是否真的可行,獨裁統治是否真的那樣優越。對於香港,則由於中國政府權威受重創,面目無光,也自顧不暇,這將令香港可乘中國之危發難,發動民主大躍進,自作主張,製造既成普選事實。

葛劍雄教授在其大作《統一與分裂──中國歷史的啟示》裏說,中國歷史上,朝代越興盛越統一越強大,人民受壓迫越慘烈的情況屢見不鮮,相反,倒時有「亂世的魅力」,「如五四前後北洋軍閥統治區與南方軍政府、各地方軍閥、地方勢力控制區之間的衝突和鬥爭,西方列強在華利益之爭……在客觀上都是對新思想的傳播和發展有利的。」

所以,日本若能重演甲午戰爭,大敗中國,對中國對香港都是好事,令香港更有機會走上真普選之路。最愛講大義滅親和良藥苦口的中國人,應該明白這個道理的。(本文同時刊於2013年1月15日香港蘋果日報

337 Comments:

Anonymous said...

國賊! 如果民主是要先把自己的國家如豺狼所噬,先把自己的同胞置於水深火熱,這是民主嗎。你這些廢話,不單成為右翼倭寇的笑柄,倘若成為事實,更會把中國推向深淵,殺害千百萬無辜生靈。-愛中國的人

忘了我是誰 said...

既不要中國情花毒,也不要華夏情花毒!睇吓呢位旅美哲學系教授講過的野,鍾生,你就好應該unfriend陳雲!唔只係fb!

20130114
陳雲的華夏情花毒
「中國情花毒」一語出自陳雲(註一),用來指那些「終身陷於對中國的苦戀之中」的人,他們「主張香港要有民主,必須先要在中國實施民主,於是鼓勵香港人投身中國民主運動」;陳雲認為中了中國情花毒便會分不清「香港與中國的界線 […]  縱容中共推出各種中港融合政策,令香港無法實現本土優先的公共政策,令香港無法保護自己的本土經濟利益」,因此,他主張香港人「投入本土政治,那麼共產黨就無法可施,無從捆綁香港人,幾百萬人集中火力爭取香港民主,香港民主就可以很快實現」。

假設陳雲說對了,香港人應以香港本土利益為先,而「放棄中國」是爭取香港民主的最有效之路。那麼,有心參與爭取香港民主的人士,豈非就應唯陳雲馬首是瞻、追隨他的路線?且慢!陳雲的其他言論,尤其是最近的一篇文章〈復漢邦,興中國 --- 從《香港城邦論》寫到《香港遺民論》〉,充分顯示出他中了一種比中國情花毒更毒的毒,即華夏情花毒也。中了中國情花毒,不過是會「死死攬住中國」--- 現實裏的中國;中了華夏情花毒可不得了,會苦戀只是「藏於心底的中國」,即所謂華夏文化,因而妄想「華夏建國」,妄想令「中國本土、台灣、香港與澳門」結成「中華邦聯」,妄想「恢復類似周朝的狀態,就是要克服秦朝帶來的中央集權暴政,這是拯救華夏命脈的大事」(註二)。

那是妄想,顯而易見,因為中國大陸一日為共產黨一黨專政,都不會主動締結這個以「憲政立國與文化立國」的邦聯,而且首先就不容許香港成為「更像一個國家」的「自治城邦」。假如中共倒台,中國大陸隨後是亂是治實難預料(要看中共如何倒台),甚麼「要準備結成邦聯,啟動點是兩岸和談」,到時那兩岸和談如何可能,就不知從何說起了;至於陳雲說的「中華民國的國體歸還予大陸,所謂大政奉還中華民國」,就更是含糊其辭,不要說不知道如何實現,連要實現的是甚麼也令人摸不著頭腦。

陳雲曾經強調自己的香港城邦論不是主張港獨,他的意思終於露出底蘊了:雖然他還是用了「香港建國」和「香港的建國運動」這種講法,並說「只要將香港的普世價值變成結合華夏文化的本土價值,香港發展出自己一套全民信守的道德信念,以及發展出一套政府守持的自由主義政治哲學,香港就是一個國家」,但他的確不是主張港獨,因為香港在他的構想(妄想)中,只是中華邦聯的其中一邦,不是一個獨立的國家;香港的城邦自治,不過是「華夏建國的先聲」。

陳雲在談香港城邦論時滿口香港本土利益為先,可是,他卻親口說過「想中共快點砸爛香港。若非如此,中共統治還能維持一段時間,不能這麼快就玩完」(註三);最近接受《陽光時務》訪問時他仍是說「如果可以推翻共產黨,那麼拉著香港一起死都沒問題」。現在看來,他的最終夢想並不是推翻中共,而是建立中華邦聯,推翻中共不過是其中一步;既然為了推翻中共可以犧牲香港,那麼他中的華夏情花毒如此之深,假如犧牲香港可以加速中華邦聯的實現,他當然會在所不惜了。希望這一點對於一些服膺陳雲本土利益為先論的人,會有些微的警惕作用。


(註一)見陳雲〈中國情花毒〉及〈中國情花毒的兩大變種〉二文。
(註二)見陳雲〈重造封建,再立共和 --- 中國的文化建國〉。
(註三)見《環珠江口宜居灣區計劃》民間研討會文字記錄。
Posted by W. Wong at 01:54 Labels: 不吐不快

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Anonymous said...

像你這樣的國賊,有資格搬葛教授的書出來說三道四嗎? 不知所謂! 你這篇劣作,讓我懷疑你的智商水平! 你倒底讀過歷史沒有? 甲午之戰後,日本對中國做了什麼? 世界對中國做了什麼,要我提起你的耳朵作就一篇嗎? 你中學時上中史堂都是在做白日夢,畫圖畫嗎?

Anonymous said...

甲午戰爭的勝利令日本走上了軍國主義的不歸路﹐此後的50年整個亞洲都飽受小日本的欺凌。中國在八年抗戰中死了多少人﹖香港在3年8個月中又死了多少人﹖其實你不想做中國人並不需要等來生﹐快快退還你的中國護照﹐中國也不需要你這些無知的敗類。

Anonymous said...

滅了共匪!!

Anonymous said...

反正被共匪管治只有死路一條!

Anonymous said...

你是不是一隻日本狗, 俾日本狗公強姦左你? 搞到你語無倫次.

HenryHK2013 said...

呢啲就印證咗點解呢啲「華人」理想家同學者唔適合搞政治同會累死中國人。俾日本打贏中國就能夠反省?咁當年三年零八個月同八年抗戰又喺咪「福從天降」?

筆者明顯冇諗或分析過中國同香港往後嘅地位,甚至所有百姓嘅生活條件。咁寫法好容易誤導他人,喺一種不負責任嘅傳媒行為。

我能夠理解「來生不做中國人」嘅觀點,但唔等於我認同。中國人有陋習,其他國家冇咩?英國人懶有優越感,以為自己仲喺「日不落帝國」,懶型咁排擠歐盟,咪又喺要睇美國臉色做人(俾美國「暗示」想仲有朋友做就唔該入番歐盟)。美國以為民主制度喺最好,不斷宣傳呢㮔構思喺伊拉克同阿富汗度,結果有板你睇。最搞笑喺,自己講民主,實制咪喺兩黨專政(共和及民主),二百幾年啦。最緊要喺中國人要爭氣,努力改進自家人,同勇於承認不足。嗰啲認為英國人對香港人好,好嘅咪當你又喺普通人,衰嘅都費事理香港喺邊或者搞緊乜。

民主喺一種理念,並冇最主觀嘅執行方式,有最高票贏(咁其餘嘅49%又點-舉例咁講?),亦有排序制,不過所有票制都可以被操控(舉例,某政府實施最高票贏因為自己無得輸)。我認為時下呢啲「反中共」、「反中國」言論有啲不設實制,就算喺北歐,咁細嘅國家梗喺易啲管治,點可以搬字過紙咁擺起全球第二大經纃度。

英美及北歐地區嘅政治未必喺最啱中國同香港嘅政治。呢過喺基於中國以家和社會為基礎同西方個人思想起源不同。

越喺太多聲音,就越不能向前走。開會搵五、六個人好去制定計劃,定十零二十個好,相信出咗嚟做嘢嘅人識分。呢嗰只係例子,敬請唔好以為我認為五、六個人就可以搞好政治。

中國最需要嘅喺時間,現時習近平先生已經唔同早幾輩嘅領導班子。中國再崛起係必然同事實,基於歷史同天然條件。與其咁灰咁彈駭中國,不如諗點用自己支筆去令更多人體會中國改變嘅狀況。

暫時講咁多,我好多論點都未探討好。如果想回覆同交流,無限歡迎。下次再揸筆時,諗一諗自己喺咪真係想咁寫先登報。

盼回覆

Anonymous said...

For those of you who love China so much, live there - regardless you born in HK or held a foreign passport

Those who strongly support the detach from China by all means stay in HK.

I got a negative comment from fb frd who educated in UK. I mean, I could understand the fears of stable middle class:
1. War is not good not matter what
2. why hazzle?
3. you trouble maker stay away to inflict any politic change that will affect my job/ mortgage payment.

Maybe HK middle class does have a job FOR NOW. but had you think about your children??
The CCP style education, CCP Style Food.
Dont Cry when you realize mainlander taken everything!

kk said...

香港係中國其中一個重要城市,如果打丈香港都唔可以獨善其身,你來生做不做中國人與我無關,你嘅政治目的亦唔想知,但係日本到現在都不承認南京大屠殺等史實,同否認六四屠城有何分別??
莫非你認為日本同美國會用心去统冶香港,唔係咁天真嗎??

Anonymous said...

就好像白人殺黑人殺得太少,應幫他們絕育

Anonymous said...

youtube:Anti-racist is a code-word for Anti-white.

1ASSHOLE; NO ONE WANT A FUCKING GENOCIDE, AND I'M AGAINST ALL RACISM, STUPID ARGUMENT, THEY FLOOD THE WHITE COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY WANT BETTER CONDITIONS.
回:If the race is good so is the country. Your right. Other races come here because they aren't capable of building or maintaining a civilization on par with the West. But that's not the problem of Europeans now is it? They have their own countries. If they can't build a decent society that is their problem. We are not responsible for them.

有同感。文明富裕國家多為白人,非白人就有日本,南韓等。
至於富強基督教國家多是白人國家,至於世俗,Irreligion遲些才說。落後的基督教國家以非白人的mixed race,黑人國家為主。我近期在思考美國黑人犯罪高,基督徒犯罪率,兩者之間有correlation。

1African Americans top U.S. religious measures-Pew
- Nearly eight in 10 blacks (79 percent) say religion is very important in their lives, compared with 56 percent among all U.S. adults.

- Blacks attend religious services and pray more frequently than the general population. While 39 percent of all Americans report attending religious services at least once a week, 53 percent of blacks report the same.

- Similarly, while 58 percent of all Americans report praying at least once a day, 76 percent of blacks report praying daily.

- The vast majority of blacks are Protestant (78 percent), compared with 51 percent of the U.S. adult population as a whole.

2African American Religion
http://www.blackdemographics.com/religion.html

Anonymous said...

亦即是人種跟文明,質素有關

Anonymous said...

yahoo answer
1為什麼多數人信耶穌的國家美國犯罪率反而比台灣高?

我:因為有很多黑人

2有沒有人能提供基督教的犯罪率?

我:關於犯罪率,因為信了任何宗教都改不了基因
關於離婚率,又是黑人

http://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/divorce-by-raceethnicity-and-education-2010/

美國黑人出了名犯罪率,多單親家庭,現在我看到離婚率又最高,都是種族差異。至於無神論者估計是非黑人,非黑人的所有宗教人士都比黑人有較低的犯罪率,離婚率。

唔係中國人 said...

幾位匿名, 講得咁義憤, 點解唔去自願當兵呀? 年紀太大? 何不做人肉炸彈, 在日本本土, 殺他幾十人都有著數呀, 苯撚實….唔敢? 你又敢喺呢度打飛機??

共產黨又係既, 講到似層層, 仲以為打得成, 人地一出飛機演習, 就做烏龜縮頭? 十足十台兒莊抗日血戰, 祗用口開戰, 讓國軍去頂, 自己則縮頭?

講來講去, 共產黨就係怕惡, 驚死. 韓、越、印度等戰役, 都係一有小甜頭就馬上走, 叫做勝利喎….笑撚死人啦.

Anonymous said...

當年日本唔打中國, 中共又點會成功上位, 毛主席都話日本是恩人, 所以作者講得對, 唔通你班友叻過毛主席 ?

Anonymous said...

中國太大, 中了統一毒, 大家綁埋一齊, 攬住死, 如果有外力將佢打散成十幾塊, 各有各玩, 大家會有更多選擇, 日本打, 美國打.....都是可以的

Anonymous said...

那位旅美哲學系教授, 不同意陳雲的城邦, 那就是贊成獨立了, 是港獨派嗎 ? 那應該同鍾祖康有相似觀點了

Anonymous said...

Black Abortions: Necessary Health Care Policy Or Genocide?
http://www.ibtimes.com/black-abortions-necessary-health-care-policy-or-genocide-723325
...
As of 2006, 50 out of 1,000 black women underwent abortions, according to the Census Bureau, versus 14 for white women and 22 for women of other races.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, black women account for only 13 percent of the total U.S. female population, but undergo more than one-third of all abortions.

In Mississippi, usually ranked the poorest state in the nation, blacks represent about 37 percent of the population, but comprise 75 percent of abortion patients.

...

In Mississippi, usually ranked the poorest state in the nation, blacks represent about 37 percent of the population, but comprise 75 percent of abortion patients.

Anonymous said...

Teen pregnancy, abortion rates at record low, study says
http://www.healthnews.com/en/news/Teen-pregnancy-abortion-rates-at-record-low-study-says/2c4hmKKEXAnPa7W2_93O_6/

Birth rates for black and Hispanic teens were more than twice those of their white peers in 2008, the researchers found. The abortion rate among black teens, meanwhile, was four times higher than the rate for their Caucasian counterparts. Abortion rates for Hispanic teens were twice as high as for their white peers.

Anonymous said...

他們最好不要有小孩出生,對世界更美好

To put that number of deaths in perspective, consider that since 1973, the number of black Americans who have died from heart disease (2.26 million), cancer (1.64 million), accidents (307,723), violent crimes (306,313) and AIDS (203,649) combined do not equal the number of lives lost to abortions.

Anonymous said...

黑人有份賣黑奴,養黑奴
The Origins of the African Slave Trade
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html

"For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. In most instances, no violence was necessary to obtain those slaves. Contrary to legends and novels and Hollywood movies, the white traders did not need to savagely kill entire tribes in order to exact their tribute in slaves. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The kings would gladly sell their own subjects. "

"in 1830 about 25% of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves: that is a much higher percentage (ten times more) than the number of white slave owners. Thus slave owners were a tiny minority (1.4%) and it was not only whites: it was just about anybody who could, including blacks themselves. "

" The fate of those immigrants was not much better than the fate of the slaves in the South. As a matter of fact, many slaves enjoyed far better living conditions in the southern plantations than European immigrants in the industrial cities"

Anonymous said...

JEWISH SLAVE SHIP OWNERS
http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.hk/2007/05/jewish-slave-ship-owners.html

Below is a listing of the slave ships and the names of the Jewish owners of those ships.

Name of Ship---Jewish Owners
Abigail------------Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob Franks
Crown-------------Issac Levy and Nathan Simpson
Nassau-------------Moses Levy
Four Sisters--------Moses Levy
Anne & Eliza------Justus Bosch and John Abrams
Prudent Betty------Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix
Hester----------------Mordecai and David Gomez
Elizabeth ------------Mordecai and David Gomez
Antigua--------------Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell
Betsy -----------------Wm. De Woolf
Polly-------------------James De Woolf
White Horse----------Jan de Sweevts
Expedition-----------John and Jacob Roosevelt
Charlotte-------------Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks
Caracoa---------------Moses and Sam Levy
Source: Elizabeth Donnan, 4 Volumes, 'Documents Illustrative of the History of the Slave Trade to America' Washington, D.C. 1930, 1935 Carnegie Institute of Technology, Pittsburgh, Pa.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1782

Keep in mind that this is only a partial list of the Jews who made fantastic sums of money off the slave trade. And that's why African-Americans will never ever see any "reparation" money. The Jews who made their fortunes off that heinous trade will never give up one single, shekel. But they will continue to "shakedown" the rest of the world for the alleged crimes committed during WW II. That's why it's called "The HOLOCAU$T INDUSTRY"

回:Greg why doesn't it surprise me that the jews would have made money of the suffering of others?

Anonymous said...

Why Do So Many Jews Hate Black People?
http://thebilzerianreport.com/why-do-so-many-jews-hate-black-people/

"In 1820 over 75% of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves. Almost 40% of all Jewish householders in the United States owned one slave or more.” In the South, which had a much higher ratio of slave ownership than the North, only 5% of white people owned slaves."

"In 2012, massive riots broke out in Israel protesting the presence of African refugees. The crime rates of African refugees were half the rate of the Jewish population in Israel, yet the local population claimed to live in fear of the black immigrants. A member of the Jewish Knesset (Parliament) name Miri Regev said that the Africans are “a cancer in the body.” The Jewish Interior Minister said Israel, “belongs to the white man.” A survey of Jewish Israelis by the Israeli Democracy Institute found that a majority of Israelis agreed with Mr. Regev, and 33% supported anti-African violence against the refugees."

"In a 2012 ynet article, a Jewish journalist claimed that she spent 15 of the most terrifying minutes of her life because lots of African refugees were around. She said that Tel Aviv was turning into the Harlem of the 80′s, and therefore black people should be deported from Israel.

In 2010, the leader of the Sephardic community and founder of the Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, stated that the sole purpose of non-Jews was to serve Jews. He also said in a television interview that “gentiles need to die…goyim have no place in this world.” Many of the top Israeli Rabbis issued a religious edict saying, “a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail.”"

Anonymous said...

又回來,美國離婚率種族比例
http://www.bgsu.edu/offices/mc/news/2011/news103463.html
Broken down by race and ethnicity, the study found Asian women have the lowest first divorce rate at 10 divorces per 1,000 women in a first marriage. The first divorce rates of white and Hispanic women were similar at 16.3 and 18.1, respectively. African-American women have substantially higher rates of first divorce compared to all other racial and ethnic groups, at 30.4 divorces per 1,000 women in a first marriage.

Anonymous said...

Children in single-parent families by race (Percent) – 2011
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/acrossstates/Rankings.aspx?ind=107
United States
Non-Hispanic White 25%
Black or African American 67%
American Indian 53%
Asian and Pacific Islander 17%
Hispanic or Latino 42%
Total 35%

Anonymous said...

法國真有言論自由宣揚Mixed-Race supremacy!!!難怪 Mestizo, Mulatto, Eurasian等mixed race文明會比白人,日本人先進!!下次是不是說mixed race人會飛?
French Television Channel :"Race mixing makes your children taller, stronger and more efficient"
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t696832/

回覆:
1 I thought race doesn't exist as a valid biological construct?
2 I'll bet the propaganda doesn't mention that your children will be less intelligent if you race mix.
3 When the owners of mainstream media are assaulted and robbed by non-whites, and their wives and daughters raped by the same, that makes their family lives better . . .

Oh, and it makes the world a better place. Now that one is definitely true!
4 有人指出荷蘭人最高
5 A White would have nothing to gain if he was the product of race mixing. Now a half white child from a black has more opportunities in the black race becuase they all secretly wish their skin was lighter. Asians are small people and knowing that if they can catch a White male, their children will be taller,stronger and eyes a little rounder ; more desireable in their home country.

Anonymous said...

6...I guess the french channel forgot to mention that mutts are ugly, stupid, completely inefficient (why else would affirmative action be needed) and all they are good at is ask for more rights and complain about the unfair society (just like colored immigrants).

7 Which mixed-race countries do they have as models of genetic fitness,height,strength, beauty and efficiency?

Which countries?
回:None.

8 They forgot to mention that race mixed children stand no chance of ever having organ transplants or bone marrow transplants in the event they would need one.

Two, not all Whites are shorter than negroes. I am 6' and my son is 6'5.

There is an old tale from Rome that mentioned how the Romans imported Germanic's to breed to make bigger soldiers for Rome.

9 If this were true, Indians, Mexicans, Arabs, Brazilians, Turks and Egyptians would be the tallest, would have the most developed nations, and would have the strongest individuals (exception, some Turks).

This is another utterly ridiculous attempt to brainwash the young French ladies.

Facts:

The tallest are the Dutch.

The strongest normally are the Slavs

And the most efficient are the Germans and Japanese.


All pure racially speaking.

Anonymous said...

10 Race mixing makes children taller?

Instead of engaging in an argument I implore tall WNists to divulge their height.

I am 6'3 - and my mother didn't have to sleep with an African and my father didn't have to sleep with an Asian to make me this tall.

In fact, where ever I go I see African Americans much shorter than myself - how humiliating for them?

11 Isn't it ironic that this exact belief if promoted by Nazis would be ridiculed?

12 Frankly speaking I'm not that tall guy for a white man ( 175 cm ),but I'm 1000 times proud to be white,blond hair,blue eyes than taller and perhaps mulatto or another strange mixed race man.

Anonymous said...

看漏眼,還有這個好回覆
It's an amazing assertion to make.

Afghanistan is one the most racially mixed places on this planet, but you won't find anyone preaching about how "great" this has been for them.

How much it has "enriched" them and made them more "efficient".
Efficient at what exactly?

It's been utterly disastrous!

--

Has the mixed race population of South America led to some remarkably new and greater form of Civilisation?

How well has the mulatto population of Haiti faired?

--

Isn't it obvious that the exact opposite is true?

13億精蟲代表 said...

戰爭時期日本對中國的殺戮行為,比起中國人往後幾十年和平時期的自相殘殺,無論兇殘程度和數量,都是蚊髀和牛髀;又看看今天的毒米毒油毒奶粉,賣處賣腎賣證書,片地皆見的農奴娼妓,及各式各樣近乎喪心病狂的罪行......日本已是文明大國,日本人跟中國人鬥野蠻暴戾,真的未入流。
所以若果要靠戰爭來教訓中國這個與世界文明格格不入的國家,不如讓中國人鬼打鬼,可行性和效率都應該高很多,我肯定中國人會用盡所有聯合國禁用的武器來對付中國人。

Anonymous said...

You are damn right!

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you , chinese are definitely hopeless !

13億精蟲代表 said...

中國人是個野蠻民族,共產黨是個流氓政權,兩者本就是天生一對。
人類文明今天已確定自由和法治乃為善之本,中國人卻覺得被統治也可以感覺良好,為統治者歌功頌德;哪怕他們的統治者都搶著拿外國護照,把財產子女送去自由法治的國家。
這代中國人都是從封閉扭曲的資訊環境下成長的,從幾歲到幾十歲都要經統治者批准看什麼和講什麼。好些人類應有的特質,今天在中國人身上已經找不到;你何曾見過這樣一個「人人害我,我害人人」的國度?其實香港人若非有幸受過先進文明開化,也不會好過他們多少。
中國人到今天依然存在,而沒有像瑪雅、印加文明一樣消失,這是上帝在二十一世紀跟人類開的一大玩笑。如果有人兇神惡煞、滑稽無聊的問你是否中國人,答案很簡單,「中你老母!我在香港長大,早就被開化成香港人了!」
再說,何謂中國?Mid-land? Mid-state? China? ......那是支那吧!是誰告訴你支那等於中國的?中國出處何在?媽的原來又是統治者。

Anonymous said...

忍唔住要講一句,痴9線,中國問題中國自己解決,worst case: 要打都係內戰去打,有咩理由望中日打仗?日本仔入侵中國,中國會有民主?中國人有無飯食都成問題呀!

Anonymous said...

擔心日本仔, 不如先睇實北極熊仲好啦

中國割了百幾萬方里的東北土地給俄國佬, D中國人又冇乜反應, 覺得好怪囉

Anonymous said...

如果可以選擇,我寧願做捷克人,都不做香港人,中國人。捷克是白人國家,被白人國家包圍,比香港中國,甚至台灣文明。捷克人很世俗,可以跟中國香港相比,中國和香港可以跟捷克學習。

宗教概況
捷克
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Czech_Republic#Religion
1989年,捷克斯洛伐克發生民主變革——天鵝絨革命, 捷克93年獨立。至於宗教人數1991-2011年有這種變化,我建議大家看捷克人對宗教的態度。我亦推薦大家由共產時期前幾百年左右的歷史開始看起。
香港
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Hong_Kong
一半一半
台灣
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8F%B0%E7%81%A3%E5%AE%97%E6%95%99
現今台灣有將近八成一的民眾擁有宗教信仰
中國
http://big5.xjass.com/mzwh/content/2012-02/24/content_222148.htm
具有宗教信仰的人數為31.4%。

Anonymous said...

以下資料是在wiki及其他網找的,有更新更準的,請提出

只有中國是開發中國家
Human Development Index
13香港 0.898 Very high human development
22台灣 0.882 Very high human development
27捷克 0.865 Very high human development
101中國0.687 Medium human development

GDP
香港 $49,137
台灣 $38,486
捷克 $27,165
中國 $9,146

堅尼系數
捷克 25.2(=0.252?)
台灣 0.342
香港0.537
中國0.61

民主指數
16捷克 Full democracies
37台灣 Flawed democracies
80香港Hybrid regimes
141中國Authoritarian regimes

新聞自由指數
14捷克
45台灣
54香港
174中國

Global Peace Index
13捷克
23香港
27台灣
89中國

工時
捷克 1795
台灣2144
香港2296

器官捐贈
捷克opt-out system

Anonymous said...

捷克民族英雄Jan Hus。故事教訓我們要珍惜自由,發表異見是勇氣可嘉。因此,我愛Stormfront.org
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%89%AC%C2%B7%E8%83%A1%E6%96%AF
揚·胡斯(捷克語:Jan Hus,1369年?捷克胡西內茨 - 1415年7月6日德國康斯坦茨),捷克宗教思想家、哲學家、改革家,曾任布拉格查理大學校長。胡斯以獻身宗教改革和捷克民族主義而殉道,留名於世,他的追隨者被稱為胡斯信徒。羅馬天主教視其為異端,於1411年革除其教籍。1414年,康斯坦茨宗教會議判罰胡斯有罪,次年處火刑。胡斯之死直接導致了胡斯戰爭的爆發。

1999年,羅馬天主教會宣佈道歉。今日捷克首都布拉格的舊城廣場設有胡斯雕像,以供憑弔。胡斯逝世的7月6日被稱為胡斯日,是捷克的公共假期。如今,大多數捷克人都自認為沒有宗教信仰,就算是捷克有宗教信仰的人之中,天主教信徒一樣遠多於胡斯派信徒,但胡斯仍然幾乎被所有捷克人認為是民族英雄。

Anonymous said...

看來捷克比香港和中國更世俗,亦沒有出現道德淪亡問題,看來這是人種差異。白人無神論者vs中國無神論者,白人基督徒vs黑人,mixed race基督徒…

我亦看過西方殖民導致非洲落後,那殖民之前有多文明?有很多黑人國家早過捷克獨立,93年的捷克沒四處侵略及捉黑奴,都變得文明富裕過很多國家。而非洲資源豐富,難道是西方殖民才出現?

文明一定跟氣候有關?以色列解決水問題,津巴布韋白人農場…我相信白人換成在非洲能打造出文明國家,黑人換成在歐洲就變成落後國家。

我衷心希望捷克能夠維持白人為主,全體人民又以uniracial為主,而不是mixed race,捷克無需巴西化,拉丁美洲化,混血化。

Anonymous said...

打到這裡,我想起一個stormfront成員,不知為何會那麼深刻。

Do you have friends of a different race/culture/religion?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t852739/

回:I have a boyfriend from another culture... he's Norwegian and I'm Czech. Infact, he's also from another religion, he's Pagan and I'm just an Atheist who practices Pagan traditions.

I have acquaintances that are black, mestizo, and even one Maori. I'm nice to people, I'm not going to be an ass to someone just because they're of another race. I don't want to be around them, I don't want them in my country, but I'm not going to treat them like trash, it's called human decency.

Anonymous said...

沒四處侵略及捉黑奴,都變得文明富裕過很多國家的除了93年獨立的捷克,還可有斯洛伐克,斯洛維尼亞,愛沙尼亞等國。
Global Peace Index中的香港台灣排23,27是不是搞錯了?有中共就算排100名以後,甚至最尾都不誇張。

捷克會資助宗教
http://www.euresisnet.eu/Pages/ReligionAndState/CZECHREPUBLIC.aspx
The legal sources that describe the relationship between Church and State are mainly Constitutional law, international agreements, the internal state law and Church-State agreements. Articles 15 and 16 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Liberties guarantee religious freedom. This includes the right to attend religious services and the freedom of religious communities to an own administration.

In the Czech Republic 19 religious communities are registered as Churches. These registered religious communities enjoy “special rights”. They can found schools, teach religion in schools, gain State subsidies and have the right to a pastoral care in prisons and the army. There exists the possibility to limit the rights of members of religious communities by internal rules. But in general the members have the same rights as the other citizens.

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Europe/Czech-Republic-RELIGIONS.html
The constitution provides for religious freedom, and the government reportedly respects this right in practice. Religious affairs are handled by the Department of Churches at the Ministry of Culture. There is no requirement to register; however, officially registered groups are subsidized by the State. The Unification Church was denied registration in 1999 when it was determined that it had obtained proof of membership by fraud. To register a church must have a minimum of 10,000 adult members permanently residing in the country; only 500 are necessary for churches which the World Council of Churches has already recognized.

Anonymous said...

我幻想7月6日胡斯日,一大群人穿上胡斯戰爭時士兵穿著的鎧甲到老城廣場巡遊,散花,放和平白鴿。幻想一班人上演揚·胡斯被處火刑的一幕,我有點眼淚。

翻看同為由捷克斯洛伐克分離的斯洛伐克。斯洛伐克反而8成信奉基督教,民主指數排名為38在37的台灣之後。
hdi 35 0.834
Gdp $24,284
堅尼系數 25.7
新聞自由指數 25
Global Peace Index 26
工時 1793 原來捷克2011年的工時為1 774,我看錯了2010的1 795

Anonymous said...

斯洛維尼亞->斯洛文尼亞

再看捷克人與斯洛伐克人的宗教信仰。捷克真是無神論不可知論者,沒有宗教信仰人士的天堂,大家都是宗教薄弱,而道德當然世界一流好過中國。

捷克人
79.4% Non-religious (agnostic / atheist)
10.3% Roman Catholic
0.8% Protestant
9.4% other religions

斯洛伐克人
Roman Catholic 73%,
Protestant 10.8%,
other or unspecified 3.2%, (including 50,363 Orthodox Christians), theism, agnostic or non-religious 13% (2001 census within Slovakia, extrapolated to outside Slovaks)

Anonymous said...

我作晚就在想捷克政府是不是以不可知論者,無神論者及基督徒為主。
今天,我看到了我想捐錢的機構,便捐了100元,便沒有遺憾。
在書局,我同時想起魯迅與捷克民族英雄Jan Hus。我尊敬Jan Hus,而魯迅的書悶,浪費時間,看來以後都不會看。魯迅偉大之處是救不了中國人都繼續寫書,但不能與Jan Hus相比。

昨晚令我驚訝的是,世上竟有一個民族大部分沒有宗教信仰,而8成是不可知論者無神論者,這個民族不是中國人,而是捷克人!或許世上最世俗的是捷克人。捷克人不出名,如不像美國人,中國人經常暴露在媒體,又好像沒有甚麼書籍研究捷克人。而中國人的道德問題被指是無神論所致。為何捷克人的道德甚至捷克文明水平遠高於中國人?是不是人種,民族質素?

捷克與北歐文明有距離,在世界看來,捷克與北歐的文明距離算小。捷克比北歐年輕,20年歲有這樣的成績已算不錯,不像很多早過捷克獨立,脫離西方殖民的黑人國家。

Anonymous said...

重整由捷克斯洛伐克分離而成的捷克與斯洛伐克的資料。兩國宗教情況相反,但都走上文明之路。

單看兩族宗教信仰
捷克人: 8成不可知論者無神論者
斯洛伐克人:過8成信奉基督教

宗教在日常生活是否重要?
捷克: 重要 20.5% 不重要 74.5%
斯洛伐克: 重要 46.5% 不重要 51.5%

兩國有宗教自由,資助宗教團體。

文明指標
Human Development Index
27 捷克 0.865 Very high human development
35 斯洛伐克 0.834 Very high human development

GDP
捷克 $27,165
斯洛伐克 $ 24,284

堅尼系數
捷克 25.2
斯洛伐克 25.7

民主指數
16捷克 Full democracies
38斯洛伐克 Flawed democracies

新聞自由指數
14 捷克
25 斯洛伐克

Global Peace Index
13 捷克
26 斯洛伐克

工時
捷克 1774
斯洛伐克 1793

器官捐贈
捷克 opt-out system
斯洛伐克 opt-out system

LGBT rights
捷克
Recognition of relationships: Registered partnerships since 2006, no same-sex marriage
Adoption: Single homosexual persons only
2012年有51%公眾支持same-sex marriages
斯洛伐克
Recognition of relationships: No
Adoption: No

愚 said...

生於中國社會轉折點的毛澤東實際上讀懂了魯迅,才做出了文化革命這個偉大的策略,以清洗中國文化的腐朽基因。可惜的是,中國文化毒瘤根深蒂固,野火燒不盡啊!

Anonymous said...

有時間我就會看魯迅一些文章,看看我對他有沒有改變看法。

以前我徆意北歐,現在我留意捷克。捷克真是厲害,以20歲的年齡追貼北歐。

Anonymous said...

台灣hdi跟芬蘭同分。台灣hdi來自2011中華民國人類發展指數 (HDI)
http://www.stat.gov.tw/public/Data/1112116124371.pdf

捷克真幸運,包圍捷克及鄰近捷克的國家很優秀,如奧地利,德國,列支敦斯登,波蘭,斯洛伐克,瑞士,斯洛文尼亞等國。

Anonymous said...

都是Jan Hus那句較好。魯迅甚麼吃人,吃教,人肉筵宴看不懂。Jan Hus說得一刀見血夠直接。追求truth深深刻印在捷克人的靈魂。捷克人太清楚自由人權民主法治的重要性,就算不跟隨耶穌,都要聽從Jan Hus這句話。短短20年變成文明國家。我認為捷克好過世界上9成國家。

Truth prevails
"Truth prevails" (Czech: Pravda vítězí, Slovak: Pravda zvíťazí) is a motto, inscribed on the banner of the President of the Czech Republic, which is one of the national symbols according to the Czech Constitution.[1] The phrase also appears along the base of the Jan Hus Memorial in Prague. The motto is believed to be derived from Jan Hus' phrase "Seek the truth, hear the truth, learn the truth, love the truth, speak the truth, hold the truth and defend the truth until death".[2] "Truth prevails" was adopted as motto by the first President of Czechoslovakia Tomáš Masaryk in 1918 and then echoed in Václav Havel's notion of "life in truth" and in his 1989 campaign slogan "Love and truth conquer lies and hatred".[2]

The concept of truth has a long tradition in Czech political thought. Jan Hus and John Amos Comenius connected the truth with theological aspects, while in Masaryk's ethical concepts truth was seen as the opposite of lie.[3] Hus' credo traditionally had been seen as testifying the moral and spiritual, rather than physical and military strength.[4] The Charter 77 movement had the motto "Truth prevails for those who live in truth".[5]

Anonymous said...

五國文明排行榜:
1捷克
2斯洛伐克
3台灣
4香港
5中國

International organ donor rates (每一百萬人)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_organ_donor_rates#List_2
羅馬尼亞 1.0
...
丹麥 11.5
...
斯洛伐克 12.1
...
挪威 16.2
...
捷克 18.8
...
西班牙 33.8

Anonymous said...

器官捐贈presumed consent國家
http://presumedconsent.org/?page_id=45

Why Presumed Consent is Better

.Presumed Consent enhances the right of an individual to decide what will happen after they die.
.Presumed Consent works well in other countries where it has been instituted – Austria, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Luxembourg, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Latvia, Czech Republic, Slovak Republic, Hungary, Slovenia, Poland, Greece, and Singapore – where the opt-out rate has been around 2%.
. Tracking the 2% who don’t wish to be Donors would be easier than tracking the 98% who do wish to be Donors or don’t care.
.Presumed Consent preserves the American spirit of unselfishness and altruism.
. Presumed Consent would remove the burden of making a decision about Organ Donation from families already dealing with the traumatic death of a loved one.
. Presumed Consent could be implemented quickly, easily, and relatively inexpensively by working within the framework of the existing Organ Donation system.
.Presumed Consent could have a dramatic impact on the number of organs available for transplant, significantly reducing the Waiting List and the number of deaths on the waiting list, as well as relieving the pain and suffering of thousands.

Anonymous said...

捷克最重要的法定假期當然是7月6日︰胡斯紀念日和11月17日︰民主紀念日!!!

1月1日︰捷克共和國獨立紀念日 (Den obnovy samostatného českého státu)
*4月︰復活節 (Velikonoční pondělí)
5月1日︰勞動節 (Svátek práce)
5月8日︰解放紀念日 (Den vítězství)
7月5日︰宗教紀念日 (Den slovanských věrozvěstů Cyrila a Metoděje)
7月6日︰胡斯紀念日 (Den upálení mistra Jana Husa)
9月28日︰聖溫塞拉斯紀念日 (Den české státnosti)
10月28日︰獨立紀念日 (Den vzniku samostatného československého státu)
11月17日︰民主紀念日 (Den boje za svobodu a demokracii)
12月24-25日︰聖誕節 (svátek vánoční)

*每年日期會有所變動

義律將軍 said...

re:忘了我是誰

本人一直認為,陳雲所提出的「香港自治」,其實與現時偽基本法的所謂「一國兩制、港人治港」運作模式完全一樣,即使香港重返英國主權,都是一樣無分別,只不過玩弄「自治」文字遊戲,迷惑毫無政治智慧的香港人上當,助長他的知名道而已,根本完全無助改變香港的社會問題。

因此,大家根本無需要浪費時間再看陳雲的一切文章,如果對政治有興趣的話,不如看世界歷史,英國歷史,英國文學,英國政治學,英國名人類型書籍,更加充實。

13億精蟲代表 said...

查理兄:

貴國文明世界的論著固然要看,但公道一點,陳雲的城邦論也沒有你所說的那麼不濟吧!他已經盡可能在書中傳播香港獨立思想,他寫得含蓄的原因大概是為了遷就香港人的保守觀念。
雖說文人相輕,但鍾祖康和陳雲同樣是難得的政論者,文采出眾的知識份子;對於喚醒香港人疏遠和反抗中國這流氓國家都有著貢獻。異曲同工,兩位都是可敬的人。



義律將軍 said...

同意閣下言論

中國人 said...

作者這位“來生不做中國人”的民族虛無主義者,經常把“中國”與“中共”等同起來。而事實奉行極權統治的是“不認祖宗”、“叛賣祖國”的中共馬列偽政權(歷史學者辛灝年稱其為“北京馬列洋教政權”),而真正繼承中華法統、道統的中華民國政府是服膺“主權在民”這一普世思想的,請作者不要再刻意混淆。
還有,甲午戰爭確實嚴重地削弱了滿清政府對內對外的權威,但是把戰後與朝鮮脫離藩屬關係和臺灣被迫割讓予日本,生硬地聯繫上南韓和臺灣兩地於二次大戰後至今取得的民主成就,則不單是混淆視聽,而且是非顛倒。雖知日本在朝鮮和臺灣是實施的殖民統治,政治上是實行總督(殖民地行政長官)專制的,兩地民眾的任何異議均橫遭鎮壓,更遑論民主。只有在日本戰敗退出,南韓在美國的佔領下實施民主選舉,而臺灣則回歸中華民國,融入中華民國民主憲政的體系,兩地才開始了現代的民主進程,絕不是日本的佔領給南韓和臺灣“帶來了民主的契機”。
至於說:中國歷史上,朝代越興盛越統一越強大,人民受壓迫越慘烈的情況屢見不鮮,相反,倒時有“亂世的魅力”,“如五四前後北洋軍閥統治區與南方軍政府、各地方軍閥、地方勢力控制區之間的衝突和鬥爭,西方列強在華利益之爭……在客觀上都是對新思想的傳播和發展有利的。”使本人想起“五胡亂華”時的民諺:“寧為太平犬,莫作亂世人”,唐初“貞觀之治”使唐朝走向統一、興盛和強大,經濟和文化空前繁榮,刑輕罰簡,民生安樂。請問作者,若“五胡亂華”時代的人可以選擇,他們會選擇留在生命朝不保夕的亂世?還是“貞觀之治”下太平安定的盛世?而民初的軍閥混戰,各路軍閥對民主和人權的踐踏破壞,本人推薦作者讀一讀謝幼田所寫的《評中共學者捍衛軍閥誣衊孫中山─兼論:軍閥毀法、護法當然》一文,看看是不是民國軍閥專權的混亂時期,比起中國國民黨訓政相對安定的時期,反倒有利於新思想的傳播和發展了。

13億精蟲代表 said...

蒙古帝國征服中國之後,大肆屠殺,幾乎把漢人滅了;之後忽必烈及其後人統治和奴役了中國人近一百年,今天蒙古人也不會說中國自古以來是蒙古領土。
滿洲人後來聯合蒙古人大破大明王朝,滿人又是大肆屠殺。滿蒙兩家自居為王室貴族,而中國人只是他們的奴才和奴隸。
前後幾百年被外族奴役的日子已成過去,可笑的是中國人在推翻滿清政府之後,為了掠奪由康熙大帝打回來的土地,居然把蒙古人和滿洲人硬說成是中國人。滿蒙本來就有自己的文字、語言、習性,以及人家那輝煌的近代帝國史。成吉思汗和忽必烈也是中國人?莫非他們倆爺孫一個姓成一個姓忽?崇尚英國法治文明的香港人,最多只會自認英國屬土公民,絕不會因為有英國人講廣東話和吃蝦餃燒賣就說他們已被同化成香港人,因為只有智力不正常的人才說得出這類瘋言瘋語。
把一個殺害自己祖先的外族硬說成是自己族人,然後精神自瀆一番,沾別人在上世紀強大帝國的光。天下之間,也只有中國人做得出這種又滑稽又無聊的行為。

13億精蟲代表 said...

二十一世紀了,政府撞了火車就把殘骸馬上埋掉,民間知道福島核漏就去搶著買鹽抗輻射。當今中國人林林總總的弱智行為,罄竹難書。
大一統的專制統治,利用恐怖手段和愚民政策令本來就很蠢的中國人的平均智力跌進非人類水平;而每天為大一統體制喝彩和感到光榮驕傲的中國人,又令專制統治更加牢固。因此中共和中國人其實是互為因果。
也許世代為奴的樂趣,只有中國人才懂得體會。要不然怎會學了一百多年民主憲政,依然得個吉,學不來不認蠢不虛心,反而詆毀西方民主缺陷多多不合國情,但又把財產子女不斷送往西方國家……
唉!總之,媽的垃圾!

Anonymous said...

Press Freedom Index 2013
http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html
1芬蘭
2荷蘭
3挪威
...
16捷克
...
23斯洛伐克
...
47台灣
...
50韓國
...
53日本
...
58香港

Anonymous said...

看來器官捐贈採用opt-out system的大多數都是白人國家,除了亞洲國家新加坡,究竟台灣,韓國,日本在搞甚麼???

bob said...

I, for one, wish this happened, man. But, first, the Japs would not simply resort to military actions again these days. Second, China's military powers aren't that weak nowadays. Third, don't forget the American bit in the game. However, when the moronic majorities over mainland and even HK still being passive and waiting for a good king, don't think anything can change the system until and unless a revolution is started, as Yukman has said in his net radio programme last week.

Anonymous said...

Youtube:Black man says: Bring back Apartheid

Liberal Irish reporter Fergal Keane of the BBC is told from the horses mouth (a Black South African) that Blacks were better off under Apartheid and that their lives would only get better if the Apartheid government came back to power.

Fergal: Do you ever think your life is going to get better Josef?

Josef: Maybe my life would change if the Nationalist Party came back, not the ANC.

Fergal: I don't believe you. Come on. That was a White government that put you down, that treated you terribly, you cant really believe that?

Josef: But in terms of work they didn't oppress us. We didnt struggle for work then.

It appears that even when confronted with overwhelming evidence that he supported the wrong people in South Africa, liberal Irish reporter Fergal Keane still refuses to accept that he was wrong and then proceeds to tell a Black South African, living in South Africa that he, Irishman Fergal Keane who lives in Ireland knows better.


Anonymous said...

介紹另一個沒有宗教信仰人士的天堂。

愛沙尼亞

人種
超過9成白人,以單一人種,非mixed race為主。很美妙~~~~

宗教概況
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Estonia#Religion
7成人沒有宗教信仰

宗教在日常生活是否重要?
重要 16% 不重要 78%

愛沙尼亞有宗教自由,對宗教團體有否資助???

文明指標
Human Development Index
34 0.835 Very high human development

GDP
$21,059

堅尼系數
31.9

民主指數
34 Flawed democracies

新聞自由指數
11

Global Peace Index
41

工時
1 924

器官捐贈
http://www.bloomsburyacademic.com/view/NudgeNudgeThinkThink_9781849662284/chapter-ba-9781849662284-chapter-009.xml
opt-out system

LGBT rights
Recognition of relationships: No recognition of same-sex couples
Adoption: No

Anonymous said...

美幼園生公然口交 家長控校方失職

真爽!!!

Anonymous said...

相信大家都聽過無神論摧毀道德沒有道德等類似mixed race混血兒聰明等廢話。
除了捷克,愛沙尼亞,我要介紹一個無神論者由1991年的0.4%暴增至2011年的43.1%的國家,這國沒有因無神論衰落。
無神論者想要投胎去文明富裕以無神論者佔比例最多的國家,可以選擇斯洛文尼亞。

斯洛文尼亞

人種
超過8成白人,以單一人種,非mixed race為主。外國移民大部分是白人,非mixed race,很美妙~~~~~~~~

宗教概況
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Slovenia
無神論43.1%,其餘有神論

宗教在日常生活是否重要?
重要 47% 不重要 52.5%

斯洛文尼亞有宗教自由,對宗教團體有否資助???

文明指標
Human Development Index
21 0.884 Very high human development

GDP
$28,648

堅尼系數
23.8

民主指數
30 Flawed democracies

新聞自由指數
35

Global Peace Index
8

工時
1 662

器官捐贈
opt-out system

LGBT rights
Recognition of relationships: Registered partnerships since 2006,
no same-sex marriage
Adoption: planned

Anonymous said...

台灣的確在華人國家較民主,外殼,看到這篇新聞更不想當台灣人,他們都不是白人,精神質素不如大部分白人。捷克,斯洛伐克,斯洛文尼亞,愛沙尼亞文學都超越台灣。

爺爺嫌她貧血 父死決定從母姓
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/%E7%88%BA%E7%88%BA%E5%AB%8C%E5%A5%B9%E8%B2%A7%E8%A1%80-%E7%88%B6%E6%AD%BB%E6%B1%BA%E5%AE%9A%E5%BE%9E%E6%AF%8D%E5%A7%93-213000007.html

Anonymous said...

更正:
台灣的確在華人國家較民主,外殼,看到這篇新聞更不想當台灣人,他們都不是白人,精神質素不如大部分白人。捷克,斯洛伐克,斯洛文尼亞,愛沙尼亞文明都超越台灣。

Anonymous said...

杭廷頓在同是1924年出版的第3版 《文明與氣候》( Civilization and Climate )裡說,就文明發展方面:
『信奉新教( Protestant Christianity ) 的地方要不是先進就是非常先進.....信奉羅馬天主教的地方則從極先進到極落後俱有;而希臘基督教則發展高低不等;同樣,信奉佛教的地方其發展可高至日本,低至西藏;回教國家的發展則從來不達中度之上,甚而極低。』
原文:
http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=F2sUe1K-Le4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=civilisation+and+climate&hl=zh-TW&sa=X&ei=AjMSUa2cIe6UmQXGyYCgCA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=tibet&f=true
冰島為何是例外?冰島不是在書出版之前信新教路德宗嗎?新教真的是先進就是非常先進?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_by_country
翻查之下,發現一些落後新教國家,都是非白人國家:Tuvalu,Antigua and Barbuda,Saint Kitts and Nevis,Saint Vincent and the Grenadines,Tonga,Namibia等國。
可以說富強基督教國家多是白人國家,落後的基督教國家以非白人的mixed race,黑人國家為主。

Anonymous said...

既然文明發展可以跟宗教,氣候有關,我就說說先進和落後國家的人種分怖和宗教情況。愛沙尼亞7成人沒有宗教信仰,我當成是不可知論者和無神論者。

先進國家
人種:單一人種的白人,亞洲人
宗教:不可知論,無神論,佛教,基督教,猶太教(沒有數漏吧?)

落後國家
人種:mixed race混血兒,黑人,亞洲人
宗教:無神論,佛教,基督教,伊斯蘭教(沒有數漏吧?)

有神論,無神論國家都可以是先進或落後。先進國家都是單一人種,亦有落後國家以單一人種為主。落後國家以mixed race混血兒,黑人為主,即是說單一人種是文明國家的必要條件,但不是足夠條件。

Anonymous said...

現在看回宗教內容,可以一笑置之

...首先,從多年來包括今年的排名,在表現出眾的國家當中顯然已可歸納出若干規律。就以二零零六年的排名而言(其他年份的排名也差異不大),在首二十名的國家中,國家規模大小不一,有小如冰島或盧森堡,也有大如美國、加拿大、法國;氣候方面,按照我過去申述的理論,當然是集中於偏寒地區,但也有澳洲、新西蘭、西班牙或意大利等少數幾個較炎熱的國家。左算右計之後,當中最值得注意的規律包括:在首二十名的國家中,有二十個奉行自由民主政制,有十九個是基督教國家(當中十個是新教Protestant,九個是天主教) ,並注意當中沒有一國信奉無神論。更值得注意的是,挪威、瑞典、冰島、芬蘭和丹麥五個均推行「北歐模式」的北歐國家,一直嘎嘎獨造,穩踞最前列。這一次挪威、冰島、瑞典、芬蘭和丹麥的排名就依次為一、二、五、十一及十五。北歐國家長期表現突出,已引起越來越多人的注意。

先不說2006年的hdi是不是只有20個國家屬於Very high human development。今時不同往日,香港在2011年竟排13!!信奉無神論的國家至少有三個:捷克,愛沙尼亞,斯洛文尼亞,2011年日本有67%Non-religious。那麼愛叫人注意,那請注意富強基督教國家多是白人國家,落後的基督教國家以非白人的mixed race,黑人國家為主。還有一點要注意,特別是race-mixing支持者,mixed race supremacist,黑人愛好者,沒有一個mixed race和黑人國家很文明富裕,要不然不夠北歐,捷克等文明富裕,就是貧窮落後,我看是後者居多。

Anonymous said...

Mixed-Race People Are the Most Attractive and Successful, study finds
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t699938/
標題內容:...Brits believe mixed-race people are the 'most attractive and successful'...


1If race is a social construct and nothing more than melanin, then why would cross-breeding people produce "more genetically fit" people? It sounds like they want it both ways. They want to say that race is a social construct on the one hand, it doesn't exist at all, and all of the difference in achievement for thousands of years has come about as the result of environment combined with pure chance. But then on the other hand, they want to say mixed-race people are the new master race, so suddenly race does exist. That's completely contradictory.

More to the point, if mixed-race people are the most attractive and successful, then how come the mixed-race countries of the world aren't the most successful countries? How come people aren't flocking to the Dominican Republic or Puerto-Rico? The Dominican Republic is a mixed-race country, a combination of African and European. The only ones flocking to the Dominican Republic are the Haitians who are primarily African.

How come all of the mixed-race people in Mexico are crossing the border to the north? Why aren't all of the White people in the United States flocking to Mexico to bask in awe of their glorious mixed-race society?

How come the moment a mixed-race celebrity like Tiger Woods makes it big, he goes to Sweden or Germany and finds the Whitest blondest woman he can find? Why doesn't he want a superior mixed-race woman? How come out of all the sleazy affairs he had, not one sleazy affair he had was with a brown-skinned mixed-race woman?

Questions questions...

2
Mixed-Race People Are the Most Attractive and Successful, study finds.


Successful ? Successful at what ?

hip-hop, rap, pop-culture, sports.

or is it,

Science, Philosphy, Arts (classical music, painting etc.).


Like I said...Trash.

3Another news link up before I looked at this posting was titled "What's Wrong With Brazil? basically why the most race mixed country in the world isn't successful. Ahh duh.....

Anonymous said...

經濟問題都是White Supremacy的錯,總之就是白人的錯,就好像道德問題都是無神論的錯。
bullsh*t!

We Can’t Fix Our Economy Without Confronting White Supremacy
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t936586/


1 All I got from this was that all Americans are white and supremacists, and they act like they care about people. The supremacy of whites has only grown because Obama is half black and became president. Whites have had an increase of income because they worked for it, and the minorities are still struggling because they didn't. In the end, everything is the white man's fault.

2 Insane, typically negroid proposal and conclusion by the author. America is in dire straights because it wasn't 'racist' enough and didn't keep the third world out Ah well, more Haitians and Kenyans to 'lead' us and 'guide' us to first world prosperity...

Can't fix stupid:

^^author (tell me this isn't the face of STUPID?)

3 We Can’t Fix Our Economy Without Confronting Non-White Supremacy.

4 So now it's the fault of "white supremacists" that the economy is bad? The media just hit a new line of stupid. Honestly if "white supremacists" had as much power as the media claims them to have, we would not be living in such a multicultural cesspool hell.

5 Why is it that every standardized test in america whether ACT or SAT or LSAT or GMAT or MCAT always gives the same result? Whites and asians at the top and then hispos and then blacks. The fact that asians do so well shows the tests are not biased towards whites.

Another question - Why is all of black africa still in the stone age?. It's not discrimination since blacks control those countries now.

6 She should read more. Jewish supremacists control
America's economy, not Whites. Plus, most White
Nationalists are not supremacists, yet most Jews
support Jewish supremacism or try to deny it exists.
She needs to learn that Jews are not Whites. They're
a totally different race.

Anonymous said...

Black Slaves Built America! The Great Lie
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t945502/
主題內容:Black Slaves Built America!" The Great Lie This was posted on Ideology and Philosophy. Why do blacks and white liberals always insist that blacks and slavery built this country when the evidence clearly reveals that white people were the dominant group and had the skills and resources to build America. Canada had no slave population and it is wealthy. The same with Australia and New Zealand. South Africa and Cuba are other examples as well. Countries with small to no white populations are poor such as Jamaica, Haiti, Suriname, Guyana, and Africa.

Some blacks who are supremacists like to say they are superior to Africans and Black Carribeans by using the argument that blacks built this country. Some make the argument by sports:Black Americans are the best Athletes! - Topix. It is utter silliness reading through that entire forum.

回:
1 Does that mean that mules built america? Or the Dog? Or the Bees? All of them worked for free and improved the profits of American and helped it expand.

The horrible, unpleasant, truth, is Negros were property . . .equipment like a saddle or a plow.

2 Picking cotton, stupid. Did you ever bother to look up the actual stats on Black slaves? OVER 98% of the White population did not own any slaves. Are you going to claim that the Blacks went home-to-home doing things for all the White people who DIDN'T own slaves?

Virtually all of this was built by Whites and Whites alone. Thanks for playing.

Anonymous said...

Anti-racism is a code word for Latino supremacy.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t918698/
主題內容:Since anti-racists want to mix the world into a brown race of Mexican looking people, they are really just a bunch of genocidal Latino Nazis.

Why do these Latino supremacists hate non-mixed people so much?

回(第四是我的回覆):
1 They are doing this to build their beautiful Utopia where there is no racial differences and no racial strife.
They of course insist that there will be hostility's between White people in an all White nation while avoiding the fact that even without racial diversity in their dream world there will still be hostility's between people.
Oh what a marvelous future our descendants will have if the enlightened tolerance people get their way.
No racial diversity, just a drab gray race with no identifying features, no culture, no heritage or future.
Just a depressed life form yearning for death.
Toiling day in and day out in absolute obedience for untouchable murderers sitting on golden thrones grinning sadistically at the groveling peasants at their feet.

2 Good point.

There's not enough Native Americans in the world to mix up though.

3樓主: bump

You anti-racists do realize the "Mexican look" is the result of several races mixing together, right?
It's also the reason why mixed people from Central Asia and North Africa are often labeled as "Mexican" by average Americans. It is the racially ambiguous look.

Now answer this question for me.
Why do you want to replace the unique looking races of the world with racially ambiguous pan-humans?

Erasing all borders leads to the extinction of pure races and the domination of the pan-human "Mexican looking" race.

Diversity, Multiculturalism, and Miscegenation = Latino Nazi Party

4 They think mixed race people are the most superior. Ah~ Yes, mixed race countries like Mexico and Brazil are the most successful countries in the whole world. It must be very great for Germany, Italy, Poland, Japan, Norway and other non mixed race countries to turn into mixed race countries, since non mixed race people are more inferior than superior mixed race people.

Anonymous said...

我知道我的英文不好,但希望大家看懂。

Non mixed race non white(me): I'm extremely tired of mixed race supremacy crap.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t945735/
I am non mixed race non white. I am against race mixing.
Mixed race person should date or marry another mixed race person.
I'm extremely tired of mixed race supremacy crap.
"Mixed race people are more successful and attractive. Mixed race people are healthier. ..."
There are attractive people in every race. What's so special about mixed race people???
Successful??? What are some successful mixed race countries? I cannot find one.
Mixed race children have almost no chance of finding bone marrow or organ donors.
May some people stop spreading mixed race supremacy crap.
It's time to give some arguments against race mixing.

回:
1Good for you, I wish more people saw how stupid race-mixing is.

What sickens me is when they teach kids that black is too black and white is too white so being mixed is "beautiful". Bull****.

If this continues everyone in the world will be one color.

Race mixing just creates an abomination.

Anonymous said...

America is NOT for white people.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t816031/
主題內容:
Its hilarious how you white nationalists keep telling the African-Americans and the Mexicans and other groups to leave America and "go back where they came from". Well the fact is, America does not belong to you. I have seen some laughable "evidence" that the whites where the first to enter America. Well guess what? We see no trace of white people in America historically until a few hundred years ago when the Conquistadors invaded. The major civilizations where the Native Americans. They developed as a civilization in north America and even underwent natural selection to become a unique population.

The fact is, if you want non-whites to leave America then practice what you preach go back to where you came from, that is Europe. Realistically it looks like it is too late for the Native Americans to reform as a civilization. But again, if Europeans want to stay in the US then they will have to deal with non-whites. Simply because north America is not you're land.

So the conclusion is, if you want to form a pure white country. Go back to Europe! White people actually have a right to keep Europe to themselves.

回:
Native North Americans were tribal and often Nomadic, they never developed a Civilization to begin with and never will.

The United States of America is a nation founded by Whites, built by Whites for Whites (the 1790 Naturalization act proves that). It is laughable that you think non-Whites who were along for the ride have any claim to a White nation. There is possible evidence that Whites were in the Americas first (I have no links on hand unfortunately, hopefully another member who reads this has some) but in any case it doesn't matter. Whites founded the United States and Canada not non-Whites thus they are White nations, simply being the first to arrive on a patch of land doesn't mean it is yours forever. The Natives were conquered and subjugated, case closed. That is the story of many modern countries yet only White nations are called on to give the land back to the natives who were beaten. Are the Negroes that infest the Caribbean to be sent back to Africa as well?

Let's assume you believe Europeans have a right to Europe, would you support Europeans forcibly deporting all the non-Whites that live there and Europeans taking back Constantinople/Istanbul and it's surrounding territories and possibly much of modern Turkey? If not then you're a hypocrite.
__________________

Anonymous said...

回(續)
2 Okay deal we go back to Europe...

BUT

Two conditions

1. All non whites in Europe have to go back to wherever they came from; and

2. We get to take all the goodies we brought along back to Europe with us... you know like roads, houses, cars, education, running water, rational medicines, farming, power generators, light bulbs... all that stuff...

When can we leave?

3 A bunch of savage tribes living hand to mouth and butchering each other is not a civilization. The term that comes to mind is "wildlife". That's pretty much it. The Mestizo invaders coming from the south aren't coming for the land, they want what we have built, which is something they themselves can only dream and fantasize about building.

The fact is, this is OUR living space, and we have every right and obligation to defend it. If we presently have more space than we need, we owe it to our descendants to leave it to them. Anything less is to betray all who came before us and all who will come after.

I've always wanted to hear one of our politicians put it that way. There is no reason not to, as it is simply the truth.

4 what is this? a joke? north Natives "civilization" ...

Only advanced civilization In America continent IS WHITE CIVILIZATION , only whites ...

Ok maybe native indians ( only a few of them anyway ) can stay BUT all of others NON-whites must go FROM AMERICA AND FROM EUROPE TOO

WPWW

Anonymous said...

回(續)
5 This entire thread fails as an opposing view in that ALL White nations are being targeted. From Ireland to Iceland, from Norway to France, from Belgium to Sweden, White nations are all gradually suffocating under the tsunami that is non-White immigration. I've seen it with my own eyes; i've travelled throughout Europe, and everywhere it's the same program, albeit at different stages.

If America, a nation founded and built from the ground up by Whites, is 'not for Whites', where exactly can they move to in order to escape this crap? I believe that it is quite difficult for European-Americans to move to Europe anyway, and vice versa.

Go back to Retardleft.

Anonymous said...

Do people really believe that Blacks are dumber than other races?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100901011222AA83Px8

那要看看黑人有多聰明才判斷黑人是不是較其他人種笨。IQ不是一切的話就可以看看黑人國家的表現如何。

Are mixed race people smarter?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060811164135AA8AkdA

那要看看mixed race混血兒有多聰明才判斷mixed race混血兒是不是較聰明。IQ不是一切的話就可以看看mixed race國家的表現如何。

Anonymous said...

Black Slaves Built America! The Great Lie
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t945502/

問:I'd like to know where you got that statistic from.
答:The 1860 census, available freely on the internet, plus the single datum of the average number of slaves owned by slave owners at the peak of slavery. I like how you libtards always try to deny the obvious facts when they contradict your anti-White mythology.

問:Also are you trying to say that the slave work done didn't contribute to the prosperity of America in any way at all?
答:They contributed in utterly trivial ways. I'm sure that the slave owners (even the BLACK slave owners) made a pretty penny from it, but the secret of White civilization has always been and will always be White intellectual innovation. "Native Americans" had cotton and they had slaves long before we got here. Why weren't they rich if your theory holds true? As any rational person can see, your view of the source of American prosperity is irrational.

Anonymous said...

The 1860 Census and Slavery in the United States
http://suite101.com/article/the-1860-census-and-slavery-in-the-united-states-a83730

Of the 27 million whites counted in the 1860 census, 8 million lived in the slave owning states of the South. Of these, 385,000 owned slaves. Statistically, 4.8% of all Southern whites owned slaves. When factored by the entire population, 1.4% of all United States whites were slave owners. The Gone With the Wind notion that most Southerners owned large numbers of slaves and lived in huge plantations is a myth.

Free Blacks That Owned Slaves in the Pre-Civil War South

According to Duke University’s Emeritus Professor, John Hope Franklin, in New Orleans over 3000 free blacks owned slaves themselves (or 28% of the black population). In Louisiana, 6 blacks owned 65 or more slaves while in Charleston, SC, 125 blacks owned slaves, 6 owning ten or more. In North Carolina there were 69 black slave owners.

Anonymous said...

鄭德興-建構公民社會及參與式民主:台灣與捷克之個案探討
http://www.soci.fju.edu.tw/tsa2010/papers/%E9%84%AD%E5%BE%B7%E8%88%88-%E5%BB%BA%E6%A7%8B%E5%85%AC%E6%B0%91%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E5%8F%8A%E5%8F%83%E8%88%87%E5%BC%8F%E6%B0%91%E4%B8%BB%EF%BC%9A%E5%8F%B0%E7%81%A3%E8%88%87%E6%8D%B7%E5%85%8B%E4%B9%8B%E5%80%8B%E6%A1%88%E6%8E%A2%E8%A8%8E.pdf

捷克的民主轉型起始於1989 年的絲絨革命,只比台灣於1987 年的解除戒嚴時間晚二
年,透過自由之家的分數比較,可以發現捷克經過1968 年布拉格之春運動的鎮壓之後,其
自由民主發展情況比貣其他前共產國家糟糕,不過經過十幾年民主化的發展,捷克的自由之
家分數已到達舊民主國家的水平,民主發展進步相當快速。反觀台灣,1987 年解嚴之際,
台灣雖比其他許多後威權國家的民主發展概況較不理想,但比起捷克等後極權國家的民主發
展起始點,台灣顯然高出不少,不過同樣是十幾年民主化的發展結果,台灣似乎落後於捷克
等後共產國家的民主化成就。相較於中東歐這些後共產國家的民主成就,台灣很難宣稱自己
在民主表現上是一個「政治奇蹟」,反而需要更多的反省。

中東歐的宗教變遷過程
相當複雜,各國的情況差異極大。波蘭有宗教信仰的人口比例為64%,在哈布斯堡王朝統治
捷克期間,宗教常成為迫害捷克人民的工具,而共產政權又因無神信仰,所以捷克人民有宗
教信仰的比例不斷下滑
。台灣參與宗教組織的比例或許不高,不過台灣人民有宗教信仰的情
形似乎很普遍,台灣宗教團體的影響力不低。

Anonymous said...

What make Czech Republic became a atheistic country?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101023163419AAbw1br
The dislike toward organized religion can be traced to the early foundation of the medieval state, where the nobility had successfully undermined the power of the church and enforced a view in the eyes of the population as a greedy institution. Bohemia and Moravia was torn up by religious warfare through the Hussite War in 1419-1435, which had left the country in ruin and society was collectively attacked by crusades. The 30Year war and forceful catholization confirmed the view that the church is evil and cares only about money. While Poland or Serbia seen a church as the protector of its heritage, language, and culture, Czech identified any church as a symbol of oppression, totalitarianism, germanization, and source of impoverishment of many. Czech people would not give money to church as they collectively see that it can be better used (by them) or by the government. Secularization of Czech society was completed in WWI, where they see Catholic church as the main power of Austria. Communism only utilize the feel, and institutionalized otherwise widespread dislike of any religious community in the society. Czechs have thorough dislike toward organized religion and detest what organized church represents. Any case, Czechs are very spiritual, many believe in magics and God without acknowledge it openly. One thing you will hear from Czechs "I do not believe in God, but I am afraid when I die, he will punish me in hell for that".

Anonymous said...

Czech National Revival
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_National_Revival
Background

Following the Battle of White Mountain in 1620, Czech lands suffered from Germanisation politics of the Habsburg Emperors.

The oppression was connected also with the religion – up to 95% inhabitants of Bohemia were Protestants (See Hussite) when Habsburgs took power. Although they formerly promised freedom of religion, they started rampant anti-reformation and re-catholization efforts which made the most of Czech elites flee the country. This violent re-catholization is also one of the reasons behind today's Czech atheism.

The Czech language was more or less eradicated from state administration, literature, schools, Charles University and among the upper classes. Books written in Czech were burned and any publication in Czech was considered to be heresy by the Jesuits. The Czech language was reduced to a means of communication between peasants, who were often illiterate. Therefore, the Revival looked for inspiration among ordinary Czechs in the countryside.

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Anonymous said...

有人說波蘭窮,看看波蘭的資料才說吧!現在是2013年,不要對波蘭有偏見。

人種
波蘭人為主

宗教概況
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Poland
91%天主教徒

宗教在日常生活是否重要?
重要 74.5% 不重要 19.5%

波蘭有宗教自由,對宗教團體有資助

文明指標
Human Development Index
39 0.813 Very high human development

GDP
$21,310

堅尼系數
31.1

民主指數
45 Flawed democracies

新聞自由指數
22

Global Peace Index
24

工時
1 937

器官捐贈
opt-out system

LGBT rights
Recognition of relationships: No recognition of same-sex relationships
Adoption: No joint adoption by same-sex couples

Anonymous said...

去了圖書館,想起那個娶了韓國妻子的日本作者,原來據說的韓國妻子是吳王夫一族,那我之前記錯了。怎樣也好,就算祖先從中國來,韓國人仍然是韓國人。

Anonymous said...

去了圖書館,想起那個娶了韓國妻子的日本作者,原來韓國妻子的始祖據說是吳王夫差一族,那我之前記錯了。怎樣也好,就算祖先從中國來,韓國人仍然是韓國人。

Anonymous said...

3/4韓國血統的台灣人:曾經 - 韓國混血兒的心境
http://forum.u-outdoor.com/thread.asp?page=1&threadid=168589
這個徽章是參加今年京都華僑協會在京都舉辦的台灣國慶晚會中得到,我一直很喜歡,之前在高島屋 京都店工作時,我把它貼在公司的置物櫃上,希望可以讓更多人看到台灣國旗長什麼樣子。

工作結束後,我把這個徽章帶回家、連同國慶晚會上得到的國旗一起貼在我的門口,也是希望能讓台灣國旗在鄰居面前多多亮相。

每次有人對我說:「我好羨慕妳可以定居在日本,我好喜歡日本喔。」我總是回答:「可是我比較喜歡台灣,台灣比較好。」

工作時遇見中國客人,我也毫不畏懼地回答:「我是台灣人。」

...


很多人拿端午節、孔子、王建民、中秋節,指著我罵韓國人就是不要臉,我其實不太明白,為什麼口口聲聲罵著支那豬及426的人,卻相信大多數從中國傳出的假新聞[3]。(究竟敦真敦假?)

Anonymous said...

我看一看Stormfront會員對槍炮、病菌與鋼鐵的意見。

Guns, Germs, and Steel
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t191883/

1 I like this quote:

modern "Stone Age" peoples are on the average probably more intelligent, not less intelligent, than industrialized peoples.(我笑了,各國要努力將國家弄到「石器時代」人們國家的水平,那些人們很有智慧,那些國家是最文明的,哈哈!)

2 This article goes more towards pointing out that Diamond is anti-white than the actual point of the book. The key argument is right at the beginning-

"The problem is, I am not aware of any advocates who try to make the argument that because Western culture is more advanced, they are therefore the smartest. In fact, quite the opposite is true. Psychometricians have shown that East Asians are more intelligent than Caucasians, and that they do not lead us technologically (outside Japan) because of environmental or political/cultural differences.
So Diamond has written a book to disprove a theory that does not exist. He is attacking a straw man."

I, however, am aware of just such people. Many SF posts discuss the historical superiority of white science and philosophy and, if not attributing it to white itnelligence, then at least to white creativity. Heck, I myself considered this a pretty convincing argument on behalf of White Nationalists. This article, however, does nto adress it.

3
Quote:
This book by Jared Diamond is a pretty well respected historical argument against European cultural/technological supremacy.
回The popularity of Jared Diamond's book is not itself evidence of the validity of his thesis.

Quote:
For those of you who have read the book, what do you think, and how would you refute Mr. Diamond's main claim that societies are based on geographical opportunity?
回I have read Diamond's book myself. I have a copy of it, in fact, on my bookshelf. I think he does a pretty piss poor job at explaining the backwardness of the aborigines, to name just one example. He does not explain why Africa continues to remain so backwards after the introduction of technology and food crops from abroad. He barely even touches on Europe and he pretty much ignores discussion of the biological reality of racial differences in intelligence entirely.

4His entire book is fallacious, he says whites are succesful due to our environment, even though we played a major part in creating the environment that made us succesful. He claims that our success is entirely due to our environment and that Europe has always consisted of pristine countryside dotted with domesticated sheep and cows. He also claims that when whites enterred other lands they made them look like europe as a form of cultural assimiliation. He honestly believes that a group of extremely poor pioneers with an average life expectancy of 30 would labour for the majority of their lives in order to make a plot of land look like merry old england.

Anonymous said...

Anyone read Guns, Germs, and Steel
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t219284/

1I thought it was pure BS. For starters, his argument that jungle people are smarter because they have to think quickely to avoid being murdered is a eugenics argument but he rejects the idea that cold climates selects people who plan ahead which more than offsets this. He also ignors just about every scientific study of comparative intelligence ever done when he says that.

His idea that resources determines progress only takes those resources which are convenient into account. The North American Indians planted domestic crops, raised domestic dogs, and lived in a land of abundance. They did not produce a competetive civilization.

He also makes a lame excuse for why we surpassed the Chinese when they started with more resources.

His argument that people with farm animals get more exposure to germs and can thus act unwittingly as carriers of germ warfare as with indians falling ill ignores the fact that Europe also contracted diseases like syphillis from the New World.

Diamond essentially argues that environment determines the economy which deterministically favours some peoples over others and makes progress happen in a purely predictable way. This is thinly vieled marxism.

I read the book over a year ago, so I can't recall all of the flaws I found in it at the time.

2I didn't find a thread about it by searching. I'll try again.

Diamond had his own PBS series about the book. Nothing fits the script like a theory which states our ancestors only prospered because they happened to be born in Europe where they were ideally situated to steal the ides of others and capitilize on them.

Anonymous said...

Guns, Germs, and Steel
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t340882/

1 The premises for that book are laughable at best. One only has to look at how well Whites domesticated parts of Africa, which later immediately deteriorated when Africans were handed back control. In the Americas, the Inca, Aztec and Maya empires prospered at the exact same latitudes and in roughly the same "harsh" climates the Africans acheived nothing. Does he also say that the more or less IRREFUTABLE IQ differences between the races (including East Asians' IQ superiority over Whites) is of NO IMPORTANCE WHATSOEVER?

Africa is a joke.

Jews suck.

2 anti's love it... they use it as proof saying that luck created European dominance.

Great people shape their environment... they seek out trade routes, animals, new lands, etc. That is why GSS is crap.

Then i say... wait, if environment affected people, why are whites and Arabs in Africa a lot more successful than blacks?

And, if everybody came from mesopotamia , then everybody had equal opportunity to succeed or fail...

3 Good points in that post.
He says that elephants can't be tamed? not true, look at thailand where they use them for work i.e logging and transport , same with india, or any circus in the world where they use african elephants. Also the masaai managed to domesticate an animal (cow) but they still live in mud huts. It's pretty well proven now that brain size is related to how cold the climate was in which you evolved although this doesn't explain high intelligence alleles and creative genes that (perhaps randomly) came about in europe.
I think I might get this book from the library now for the reason bryonio stated.

Anonymous said...

關於病菌
Documentary - Guns,germs and steel
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t575348/
Sorry,don't remember the channel,but this was on last week.Anyone else watch it?

The documentary maker makes the argument that many people's achievements can be put down to geographical location.Now,I had kind of thought that to an extent - re droughts in certain countries - but look at how Europeans who went to Australia and South Africa were able to deal with those problems.

As you know,Arabs did do a lot back then and he makes the point at the start about there being a fertile basin (think it was called) and how it spread throughout Asia. Of course,I knew the people this was really going to be about was Europeans and how they only got where they did due to their location.He even mentioned that they "used their germs" to achieve their goals. Does that mean then that Africans are doing the same with AIDS,then,bringing it here to wipe us out,if he is using that argument about Europeans back then.

He contradicts himself,because he mentioned how when Europeans moved further up to one place in Africa,they started to die off due to malaria,whilst other Africans survived well.He pointed out that Africans had natural immunity to Africa and that when Europeans conquered,they basically made blacks live in built up areas,where they were more to malaria and lost their natural immunity....but surely if they had inbuilt immunity as he pointed out,they wouldn't lose this,due to simply living in cities.He pointed out when he went to some hospital - where he breaks down and cries over some black kid in a cot - how Malaria is killing off blacks.

Now,it is nonsense to blame this on whites,as he pointed out at the same time that Asians have had the same problem with malaria when they lived in built up areas - as they do in Singapore and Hong Kong - and they have managed to deal with it,so why can't blacks?

In effect,this programme was just another case of white bashing and blaming whitey for negro problems....so we aren't just to blame for Aids now,but also for malaria.

For a change,this lefty professor wasn't British,but American.

Anonymous said...

理論抵觸

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t399998/
GG&S contradicts itself so many times it's funny. First he says crops and suitable domesticated livestock made Europeans dominate others, then later he reveals that in central Africa the native tribes have cattle AND crops. So by his formula they should be as successful as Europeans. But he blames their failure on influenza.

Well, if disease can actually suppress development of a culture, Europeans would be in big trouble. We've had our share of horrible plagues through the centuries and it didn't stop us from continual development.

His theories are a worthless load of rubbish.

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捷克宗教改革家及民族英雄Jan Hus對捷克語的貢獻
http://www.alsintl.com/resources/languages/Czech/
The Written Czech Language: From Old Church Slavonic to Latin

Until about the 11th century, the written Czech language utilized the Old Church Slavonic language, the first Slavic literary language. Old Church Slavonic was developed by the saints Cyril and Methodius, missionaries who were wanted to bring their work to areas of Eastern Europe, including present-day Slovakia and the eastern regions of the current Czech Republic.

In the 11th century, the written Czech language faced a landmark event, as the Latin language came to replace the use of Old Church Slavonic for both religious and literary purposes.文化侵略

Development from a “Peasant Tongue” to a Respected Literary Language

Until about the 14th century, the Czech language was largely suppressed, as it was seen as a peasant tongue unworthy of any type of formal official or literary use. This changed when religious reformer Jan Hus (John Huss) undertook the project of developing a uniform Czech language spelling, giving the language a more respectable standardized characteristic.

Throughout the 15th and 16th centuries, Hus’s work was consolidated and further developed by a Protestant sect known as the Unity of Brethren, or the Moravian Brethren. Thanks to the literary Czech language works produced by the Moravian Brethren, the newly standardized Czech language was fully stabilized and established as a true literary language.

之後,Habsburg想將捷克語消滅,有群人想復興捷克語,較出名的人為Josef Dobrovský和Josef Jungmann。

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我相信Habsburgs的re-catholization包括迫捷克人改信天主教。現在天主教徒(10.3%)遠多過 Hussite(0.4%)。現在捷克有Czechoslovak Hussite Church,最早成立於1890年,分佈在捷克,然後是斯洛伐克,大約有266個牧師,近一半,130個是女性。

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胡斯雕像
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%83%A1%E6%96%AF%E9%9B%95%E5%83%8F
胡斯雕像(Pomník mistra Jana Husa)位於捷克首都布拉格舊城廣場的一端,雕像描繪波希米亞的反教廷威權學者揚·胡斯、勝利的胡斯派勇士和新教徒,他們被迫流亡200年,而一位年輕的母親象徵國家的再生。這雕像揭幕於1915年,以紀念殉道500周年。雕像的設計者是Ladislav Šaloun,完全由捐款建成。

簡介

胡斯出生於1370年,是布拉格一位有影響的哲學家、宗教家與改革家。胡斯擔任布拉格大學的校長,是宗教改革的先驅,反對教宗的贖罪券,認為彌撒應該使用本國母語而不是拉丁語,還接受威克里夫的許多教導。最終胡斯被教廷康斯坦茨宗教會議判處有罪,1415年火刑處死。

在19世紀,胡斯成為反抗哈布斯堡王朝統治的標誌。1915年第一次世界大戰期間,胡斯雕像完成。數十年後,捷克斯洛伐克處於蘇聯統治下,靜默地坐在胡斯雕像下成為抗議共產黨統治的一種表達方式。

另一座紀念胡斯的雕像位於美國紐約長島波西米亞的聯合公墓,1893年由捷克移民捐建,是美國第一座紀念外國人的雕像。

Anonymous said...

胡斯紀念碑
http://www.rthk.org.hk/elearning/travel/articles/15/f15_01_04_02_04.htm

布拉格的舊城區,在古教堂的尖塔鱗次櫛比所圍繞的廣場中央,屹立著宗教革命家胡斯(Jan Hus)雕像的紀念碑。胡斯因反對教會於一四一五年被燒死,觸發一場戰爭,他的死象徵了捷克過去一直受強權鎮壓的悲哀(註:最後還是被神聖羅馬帝國所鎮壓),六八年的「布拉格之春」,又以悲劇收場,到八九年的東歐民主運動才令捷克擺脫苦海。

廣場中心的胡斯紀念碑(Pomnik Jana Husa),是紀念胡斯逝世五百周年所而設立。胡斯可說是捷克人民族意識的啟蒙者。在紀念碑四周牆壁上有許多出自大師級的裝飾藝術(Art Deco),呈現出布拉格經歷的不同年代,值得駐足環繞四周觀賞。

回顧歷史,當年查理四世決意把布拉格變成歐洲最華麗的城市,而「中歐大學」(University of Central Europe) 也於此時建成,其校長正是出生於波希米亞貧窮農家的胡斯,一位著名的改革派傳教士。由於胡斯不值當時天主教庭腐敗黑暗,只向政治權貴勾結,與民間疾苦脫節,於是提出異見,要求改革,並引來大批追隨者。

胡斯對教會的主要批評,是指教會以出售贖罪券作為斂財手段,此舉令教庭地位動搖,更不見容於當時的權貴,視他為異端。國王溫塞拉斯四世(Wenceslas IV) 夾於糾紛中間,一四一二年欲請胡斯離開布拉格,但胡斯不顧危險,決意不走,留於布拉格為自己的主張辯護。結果國王只好把他拘捕,於一四一五年以異端邪說罪,在其四十歲的壯年把他活活燒死。如今雕像的所在地正是當年燒死他的原址。

胡斯死後,被尊為殉道英雄,更激發Hussites 戰役。Hussites (指胡斯的追隨者 )大多是農民,只擁有簡單的農具作為兵器,與全副武裝的王朝正規軍隊對壘。戰役初期,雖然奪得不少勝果,但後來 Hussites 分裂成兩派,減弱了實力, 終於戰敗。到十六世紀時,捷克淪為被鄰近的奧地利王朝統治。

無論如何,胡斯儘管犧牲了生命,卻喚醒更多國人起而改革。從反抗舊教的「三十年戰爭」,到一九六八年的「布拉格之春」乃至於一九八九年推翻共黨的「絲絨革命」,都一一得到印證,而胡斯雕像也為這段反抗強權的歷史作了最佳見證。

Anonymous said...

>>>>而「中歐大學」(University of Central Europe) 也於此時建成,其校長正是出生於波希米亞貧窮農家的胡斯

不是Charles University嗎?

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'Why is Miss South Africa white?'
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t934629/
標題內容:The ignorance of some people are staggering:

A white girl representing South Africa was the most jarring thing for some beauty pageant watchers to witness this week.

When the blue-eyed former Miss SA Melinda Bam took to the Miss Universe stage at the Planet Hollywood Resort and Casino in Las Vegas on Wednesday night, she triggered a social media buzz.

Her appearance sparked an avalanche of tweets, mostly from American viewers during the pageant, which was streamed live online at 03:00 local time.

@AlondraTeresa remarked: "When I saw Miss South Africa, I thought: 'If she's from Africa why is she white?' #meangirlsreference."

@omgitzvanessa wrote: "(When) Miss South Africa came on my mom was like: 'Why is she white?'"

@Maaaaryx3 also wondered: "I cant believe Miss South Africa is a white girl."

回:
1.If she was born in South Africa then she is a "South African" right?

??WTF??

2.Was there similar outrage when a black was chosen as the winner for Miss England?

Yes, but that's because South Africa as a country was founded by Whites.

I can see though, how some non-Whites might say it's hypocritical to say a White/European can be Miss South Africa, but a non-White can't be Miss England or Sweden.

The difference though is that non-Whites didn't found England or Sweden, Whites did, however, found South Africa.

3. I wish this is what african americans really were!

4. They probably still think Europe is a continent full of Europeans, they should take a trip to Malmö, Paris, London, Birmingham or any number of places, they'll have a wake up call.

5. The hypocrisy is strong in this one. So they don't want whites to be the face of Europe, but the moment a white is the face of Africa, then people complain? What about the diversity.

6. Why is Miss Sweden and Miss Italy NOT white?

I hope that they aren't saying that its weird that a white person is in Africa? South Africa being founded by whites and all.
回:Let's not all forget that we're all from Africa, too.

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http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t947175/

Yes, please do see the link in the previous post, but I would also like to highlight some of the points made in that thread and elsewhere.

1. Jared Diamond is a Jew who admits in his book that he started out from a position of refusing to acknowledge the possibility of racial differences in intelligence. Then, having rejected the proper answer for essentially religious/political reasons, he desperately searches for evidence to SUPPORT (not disprove) an alternative theory. In other words, he is doing the OPPOSITE of what science does: looking for the simplest explanation and testing it by trying to DISPROVE it.

2. Diamond's basic thesis is that Whites were successful because of geographic luck and an inherent greed/violence/ambition not present in other races. In other words, he believes in racial differences when they are UNFLATTERING to Whites, but not when they are flattering.

3. The geographic differences Diamond focuses on include latitudinal consistency of climate, and the presence of domesticable plants and animals. Diamond willingly overlooks the fact that the climates of various regions on earth have changed significantly in the last fifty thousand years and that large linear stretches of consistent climate are readily found on every continent, but only Whites seem to have made good use of them. He tries to interrupt these in other continents by pointing out deserts that would not have existed twelve thousand years ago, for example. He misses the fact that our ancestors were pushed north out of Africa by population pressure into the LEAST habitable regions then known to our species.

Anonymous said...

4. Diamond happily fails to mention countless domesticable species never domesticated by Asians, Africans, and Oceanians because they don't fit his theory. He mentions that Whites domesticated wolves, but ignores the African wolf. He mentions that Whites domesticated horses, but ignores the fact that North America had horses too at the same time (at which point the continent was dominated by Amerinds): They simply killed them and ate them. There were plants that could be turned into stable crops, animals that could be penned or herded. Diamond turns his back on this. Moreover, he ignores the herculean task Whites undertook for a hundred generations to gradually breed the creatures around us into the forms they hold today that serve our interests so well. Dogs, for example, come from wolves. Consider a dachshund, and how much it has been changed from a wolf: It is a creature created by Whites through a fantastic investment of time and effort to become a creature capable of burrowing after and successfully killing badgers, hence the German name: Dachs Hund (badger hound). He makes it sound like we found these useful creatures just standing around and we put them to work. We MADE them over the ages by hard work and careful thought.

5. Finally we come to the guns, the germs, and the steel. This is where Diamond becomes especially anti-White. He basically claims that we evil Whites used these inventions to our advantage because we are cruel and violent. He ignores the Aztecs butchering tens of thousands of their own people each year to appease the gods. He ignores the bloody tribal conflicts of the other Amerinds, the Zulu wars, the never-ending conflicts of the ancient Asians. Only Whites are bad. Guns in Asia were expensive, inefficient, and undependable. Whites innovated better weapons because we were smart enough to do so. These are tools to be used for doing the same thing that ALL humans do: settle irreconcilable conflicts by force. We are simply better at it. He ignores the fact that every race on earth had access to iron ore and that we were the first to figure out what to do with it to improve our lives. He focuses only on the "bad" aspects. He ignores the fact that we ourselves had to survive every plague we carried with us, and that we survived plagues of other human populations as well when we traveled, but those get ignored in favor of pretending that we were knowingly using germ theory to our advantage when no one on earth knew what disease really was.

When one looks at all of these flaws in his theory, it completely falls apart. Whites got ahead because we are smarter. Neither he nor James W. Loewen nor any other anti-White can accept that fact, so they make up the most outlandish kind of Rube-Goldberg machines to avoid that obvious conclusion. And even as they continue to insist that we are no smarter than the other races, the Black/White IQ gap hasn't budged by one point in all the years that we have been pouring trillions into trying to elevate the Negros. Talk about denial of reality!

Anonymous said...

Guns Germs and Steel has been done many times before on this forum. One of the things cited in the past has been a comparison of Haiti with Iceland. When the French were running Haiti, it was the jewel of the Caribbean, a place of great wealth. Once the blacks took over and massacred the French, it collapsed into the third world society we see today.

Iceland is a rather unprepossessing place, certainly not a place which one would suppose was more valuable than Haiti, yet that is the way things have turned out. Certainly it can't be the environment. What can it be then? One simple explanation, one which Diamond ignores, is that the people running Haiti and Iceland are not genetically the same kind of people, and don't behave the same way.

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Jared Diamond thesis
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t239045/
問:
Hello, If you already don't know Jared Diamond is this research guy who says that the only reasons why europeans were able to be like a world power was because they had guns, germs, steel, and geography. (for more info on jared diamond go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond ) and for social science class we have to do a project proving or disproving his thesis. I am trying to disprove it because 1, to have a really good society thing that works you also have to have a good head on your shoulders and not just guns, germs, and steel. 2, other contries who were not as advanced prob. had the some of the same resources but just wernt interested in learning how to use them.
if anyone has any other ideas or continuations on these id really like to know. also, i need to be able to prove this so any ideas about how to learn about contries resources in the beginnings of civilization would be greatly appreiciated. (and if you have any other ideas please explain how to prove them so and dont just be like "jared diamond is stupid" because 1, i cant prove that and 2, that has nothing to do with proving his thesis wrong.)

thanks alot for your time and any feedback and i hope i wasnt too much of a bother.
mel

回:
South Africa has the worlds sixth largest coal reserves and abundant iron ore.
Brazil is the world's third largest iron ore producer and has abundant natural forests, but its people didn't even develop primitive charcoal smelting.
You could also point to the economic success of the USA post-colonisation as evidence that the resources and so forth required for such development clearly existed, but weren't exploited by indigenous people.
These are just a few ideas, but it's easy enough to come up with this stuff; I'm sure you can do the same.

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http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t910816/
lol.. reading the post from you mental giants really proves my point that whites in general and white nationalists in particular are about as dumb as a box of rocks... you are so desperate to prove that whites are more intelligent despite multiple studies showing otherwise that you bring out that old tired canard that asians lack creativity and can only copy white inventions.. ok geniuses, the chinese invented gunpowder, the abacus, the compass, paper, paper money and they also invented the civil service while europeans were still swinging in trees.. in other words, asians invented the basic foundation that europeans later copied and improved on... so, which is harder? to think of something out of thin air or to copy and modify it? it is the europeans that stole the inventions from asians and made themselves great.. now the pendulum is swinging back to the rightful dominence of asians... so kiss my yellow ass...
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You clowns always provide the exact same list of items. Don't you find it even the tiniest bit embarrassing that your great inventions are from thousands of years ago, with nothing recent worth mentioning?

Moreover, the only reasons those inventions get attributed to Asians is (1) we don't ACTUALLY know who invented them and (2) Asians aren't White. For example, we really have no idea if gunpowder was an Asian invention or if it was a work-in-progress floating back and forth between the Mediterranean and the Bay of Bengal. Greek fire looks like a pretty logical precursor to gun-powder (with some recipes possibly including saltpeter). The liberals (and the Asians, for that matter) are so DESPERATE to have something important to credit non-Whites with having invented that they hand the prize to you without any real proof.

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問:I'm a tourism student and had to write an essay on the country, and discovered through my research that "The Czech Republic has one of the least religious populations on Earth" with the majority of the population being agnostic, atheist or irreligious.

I was just wondering what made the country so liberal when it comes to religion, compared to other Central European countries (such as Slovakia or Hungary) where religion seems to play much more of a key role in society.

I'm not religious myself, and find this pretty interesting :)

would it be right to assume that the Czech Republic is open minded when it comes to homosexuality due to the non-religious majority? (I'm just presuming that without religion society wouldnt be so against it)

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Czechs played key and pivotal role in the European Christianity. It had central role in spreading Christianity to Poland, Macedonia, and Hungary (st. Adalbert, st. Radim, st. Alexius, st. Gorazd were Czechs/Moravians); it supported Crusaders, and fought a entire Christendom in Hussite Reformation movement. All these religious zeal had brought nothing for the country, the society, the people, except immense suffering. Hussite revolution whipped out 40% of population in matter of 14 years; and 30Year war that started and ended in Bohemia, killed 2/3. Catholic faith was forced with extremely brutal, genocidal fashion, where extermination of entire communities changed the ethnic balance toward Catholic loving Germans. Modern Czech nation associated Church, its beliefs, its ideology and structure as evil, genocidal, greedy, reactionary, and thoroughly corrupt. The Church had not cared for anything than enriching itself from the blood and sweat of the masses and usurped its power with intimidation, mass murder, and collective oppression. John Huss, the national hero and Czech priest that opposed Rome and died for his belief in 1415, said that Church without shame will steal the last penny from poor widow and deny her the Christian rite on her deathbed. For masses, the idea of Church being a robber and oppressor of the poor, became easier to accepted when they compared their impoverished life with the life of the prelates and the wealth and opulence of the church buildings. Czechs do not want spent any money on religion and believe that these money could be put in better use (among themselves). Church was not associated with nation and social building fabric as was in the case of Poland or Serbia. While in Poland have saying when is the worst.. turn to God for answer, in Czech was opinion when times are good, because we worked hard for it, when times are bad, there was no God to find.

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問:My parents have a Polish background and I notice that their relatives and my Babci (grandma) are all very religious. 80% of people in Poland believe in god and 15% believe in a spirit but what I don't understand is-why? People say its because the devastation caused by WW2 and communism but look at a country such as the Czech Republic. The Czechs were invaded by the Nazis and also by the communists as well as the Hungarians but Hungary is much less religious than Poland with only 49% saying they believe in a God and 31% in a spirit while only 19% of the Czechs believe in God and 50% believing in a spirit. Why is Poland so religious and nationalist????? I am of Polish background and an atheist and I don't understand, religion and nationalism were driving forces for the demolition of the entire Polish people!!!


1Poland and Czech republic do not share common, modern, religious history. Each nation developed own religious institutions and structure;l therefore, have different attachment to it. Czechs through history identified religious institutions and organized faith as a problem to the development of their country, and consider it as the main oppressor of the common people. In Poland, catholic church was seen as a necessary tool for a national survival against Prussia and Russia. Church became a part of the national identity and culture. Czechs came to exactly opposite conclusion due Protestant Reformation known in Bohemia and Moravia as a Hussite Revolution, and believe that the church posses a danger to the civic independence. John Huss (+1415) said that the church will without shame steal last penny from a poor widow, and deny her rites on a deathbed. The Czech society saw a church as a road robber and thief, and did was inherited into modern society. People would not spent money on religion because they think that it could be spent better=> for themselves. Czechs or Hungarians also faced genocides (Mongol invasion or Four Crusades against Bohemians), but in both countries people will say when the times were bad, the Lord was nowhere to find, and when times are good, he was not there either to help. While Czechs are religiously indifferent, there is also known saying from Czech fictional character, Jara Cimrman: “I’m such an unconditional atheist that I’m afraid God will punish me.”
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For Poles the Catholic Church was their ally, actively supporting their cause and providing moral support in times of need.

For Czechs it was the enemy, a whip of oppressors, forced upon them by foreign powers.

Czechs were originally ardent Catholics, but during 15th century they came with their own proto-protestant form of Christianity as a reaction to rampant corruption in Catholic Church (see Hussite wars). Hussite and later Protestant faith became deeply entrenched in the Czech culture for almost two centuries, until Czech Protestant nobility started Thirty Years War. Sadly, that was the last thing they did, not counting losing their heads on a chopping block.

In the aftermath Hapsburgs initiated a forced nation wide conversion to Catholicism, confiscation of property, executions and massive expulsions of protestants and hussites who were unwilling to give up their faith.

With Catholic faith being forced upon people by foreign (unpopular) rulers and every other form of Christianity forbidden, many people turned away from the faith completely.

The first republic after regaining independence from Austria-Hungary did not change this trend as its leaders were still strongly anti-Vatican and Communism period was just a cherry on the top. The unfortunate decision of Czech Catholic Church to collaborate with Communist Party (unlike in Poland) did not help either.

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as for the historical background and WW2, I believe Poland went through most atriocities and turning to religion is quite natural for people in times of trouble.
As for the partitions of Poland, religion was one of the factors that defined people's ethnicity. The countries that invaded us were either protestant or orthodox, so catholicism was a part of Polish identity in a way.
In even more distant past, Poland was the threshold of Christianity in Europe, just to mention Khan or Turkish attempts to invade Europe. And later on, we fought Bolsheviks in 1920.
Finally, in the times of communism, when people were supposed to be atheist, a Polish cardinal became the Pope - the first non-Italian pope in centuries and a sign for Poles that things could change. The world finally heard of Poland again.
There are more examples of this kind. And in a way, religion brought people together and defined their identity. Not all Polish people are that religious - it's possible that 80% believe in God, but certainly much fewer attend Mass every Saturday.
Of course, there are people who are not Catholics but still believe in God, but it's their right. Why should anyone question it? I guess, you wouldn't like anyone questioning your atheism, would you?
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這兩宗「殺父母」的案子,竟然不約而同跟網絡遊戲有關。坦白說,我有一段時期,由於「轉型」小說,一度玩網絡遊戲,雖未致「沉迷」,不過,的確非常好玩,尤其是不斷的冒險,不斷搏擊的快感。在中國古代江湖,快意恩仇那種感覺,更可能有美女相伴,從不斷的冒險,主角武功不斷的升級,成為絕頂高手。嘻嘻!最重要的當然是那些所謂的「大禮」,然而,你早知這些「大禮」是虛的,或者,以極快的速度耗盡。李克強總理跟我們香港記者一樣,稱呼那些惠港措施為「大禮包」,還呼籲香港要用好與用足這些「大禮包」,梁特是否當自己玩網絡遊戲呢﹖不過,梁特的武功並沒有不斷升級,相反,他在遊戲之中,不斷被自製的「炸彈」弄得遍體鱗傷,「國教」事件,借刀殺港台事件,「大禮包」變成「糖衣毒藥」李總理過份寵縱梁特,當他還沾沾自喜的時候,我們這群七百萬廣大「機迷」,心中不禁暗暗用江毅飾演陳萬賢的語氣﹕「咁多人死,唔見你死!」,要小聲陰冷的講。反正入境處也無權選擇甚麼人應該來港,甚麼人不應來港了,梁特在這冒險遊戲中,對被「阿爺」操控甘之如飴。幕後真正的「機迷」就呼之欲出了。
但是,我們只能看不能選擇角色,因為角色像電腦圖像沒法選擇,只有自我發奮,才有機會把武功升級。
人生,無論在何時,都好像武俠小說,你不知甚麼時候遇上甚麼高人,遇上甚麼決鬥和困難,最重要是自我突破,如果每一次有困難,都依賴政府的話,這等於自我菲薄,又像吸毒上癮,難怪某些內地的甚麼官員,經常用言語恐嚇香港人,「如果沒有東江水,香港滅亡。」內地的甚麼官員,又失憶了,忘記了六、七十年代,香港人運送多物資往內地,接濟親友,所以千萬別自我矮化,要面向世界。

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Anonymous said...

Friend Pseudoplotinus, I don鈥檛 think it鈥檚 a 鈥榗ultural reality鈥?or 鈥榗ultural myopia鈥?rather, as Voegelin might say, a loss of reason.
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Anonymous said...

不錯的回覆

Race is not the reason!
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t539633/
White nations are better off, more prosperous, more technologically advanced, more functional in a political, economical and social sense than black nations. No liberal, commie, leftist will argue this with you Sfers BUT where we diverge is that:

DRUM-ROLL PLEASE


RACE IS NOT THE REASON.

Jared Diamond won the Pulitzer Prize in his 400+ page book explaining why. In Guns, Germs, and Steel he goes to great lengths explaining the ultimate and proximate CAUSES WHY this is so.

In one word- the environment. Eurasia conferred advantages to the native population that Africa and Australia didn't to their native populations. So that's it. If the whites would have been native to resource and agro-poor Africa and Australia, they would have been doomed to the same misery, poverty, backwardness, technological ineptitude and simplicity i.e. stone tools until today.

BTW, the argument that whites turned Australia into an advanced nation within 2 centuries while the Aborigines still languish in the Stone Age is true. But WHY?

Once again, race is not the reason. The whites brought all their goodies from Europe. They brought their advantages and re-created their society from back home.

Once again IF whites would have been native to Australia, they would still be in the STONE AGE as the native Aborigines.

You can't get something out if there is nothing there to begin with.

For similar reasons today, why we must give certain advantages to historically disadvantaged groups.



1So.... you can't invent a wheel without being in Europe?
回:Wheels can only be invented within certain latitudes. Has to do with earth rotation, didn't you know?

Anonymous said...

2
Dude,

I'd say the resources from the African Jungles (congo) and the Nile river are more than enough to get a society off the ground.

sorry, that train of thought is flawed.

3The wheel was invented in Iraq:
回:The mayans didn´t invent the wheel, yet the invented independently from other cultures the concept of zero. How strange that Harvard professors are still so intrigued by the glorious accomplishments of indians in the middle of the jungle.


4How is it, when negroes are handed modern developed countries in Africa, as they were when European Power decolonized Africa that the negroes were unable to maintain the countries that Europeans had built for them?

Education? Maybe, but wasn't Robert Mugabe an Oxford educated Ph.D.? Didn't the whites establish Universities and Hospitals in Africa? Give the Africans the gift of antibiotics and knowledge of modern medicine, and so many modern miracles that the negro never could have concieved? Yet with all of this European Knowledge the negro chose to resume his tribal existence, funny huh?

Could it be the Jared Diamond is nothing more than a propagandist? I know the James Watson, the Nobel Prize winner who discovered DNA thinks so, as do many other evolutionary biologists. It is no secret that Jared Diamond is a Jew, and these filthy kikes are the ones who are pushing all of this racial equality nonsense. The reasons have entirely to do with their group survival strategy and nothing to do with the facts. The Jews are liars, and it is they who hijacked the science of Anthropology back in the days of Franz Boas, so please take your copy of Guns, Germs and Steel and shove it up your ass.

Anonymous said...

不錯的回覆,諷刺,反問。我相信一個民族好,國家就會好。

Anonymous said...

看來有必要理解猶太人

Just like the Global Warmists, Jared Diamond is a pseudo scientist, camoflauging his propaganda so it looks like science.

Ok for example the main premise of his book Guns Germs and Steel is that certain species of plants and animals better lend themselves to domestication. He mentions Zebra and some other species of wild ass are too mean to be domesticated, and he is correct these species of equine are mean as hell and cannot be domesticated. Where he fails is his assumption that negroes and abos do not fall into the catagory of wild humans, and just as species of plants and animals are most apt at domestication, some species of humans are more apt at being civilized (domesticated) than other species.

This is really not a new concept because people have been calling wild humans savages for centuries, ever since the civilized world came into contact with wild humanity. As a Jew, Diamond should be familar with this concept as it was outlined pretty well in the story of Jacob and Esau. This story has long been used by Jews to explain how Non-jews are animals and not truly human. You would think that one of God's Chosen would get that.

Anonymous said...

"The Jews are called human beings, but the
non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a
pregnant animal."
Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits
and are called pigs."
Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as
eating with a dog."
Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like
intercourse between animals." Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
"It is permitted to take the body and the life
of a Gentile."
Sepher ikkarim III c 25
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the
Torah. The Christians belong to the denying
ones of the Torah."
Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with
your own hands."
Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless
(non-Jews), is doing the same as making a
sacrifice to God."
Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

Anonymous said...

He obviously is making some huge logical leaps - such as none of the large animals in sub-Saharan Africa could have been domesticated for agricultural work.

Saying that the Zebra is "too mean" to be domesticated is a cop out. Even if it were true what about the huge number of other large animals in Africa from the Wildebeest to the Cape Buffalo?

Just giving up on domestication and saying "That's it, we're hunter gatherers forever" is a lame excuse to say "We would have advanced if the animals we tried to domesticate weren't so mean".

And then he comes out with these fantasies of Zulu warriors riding Hippos in to battle against European cavalry - how anyone takes him seriously is astounding.

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那為何歐亞人種的中亞發展不到優秀文明?還有不是說mixed race混血兒很聰明的嗎?

Anonymous said...

Kosovo要不然獨立,要不然給Serbia。

What do Western White Nationalist think of Serbia?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t955588/
問:Hello comrades,

I would love to know what our western White nationalist brothers think of my country and people?

We know that generally in the West we are considered a barbaric, right wing country that genocided the poor Muslims on Kosovo and in Bosnia.

But what I'd like to know is what other White nationalist think of us? Is there any within your ranks that still doesn't consider us an European Aryan people, or consider us (and Slavs in general) a lower race?

I am really interested into hearing your opinion on us from first hand.

Thanks.

回:
1I have great respect for Serbia and her people. For centuries your people have fought against the tide of Muslim invasions into Europe and still do so. It bothers me that NATO and the UN lied and misled us about what was really going on in the Balkans. I am honored to have my Serbian brothers and sisters at my side as we fight for our racial survival.

2You are our own. You're in a worse situation than us and have been for a long time, but we are all heading for where you are.
All these lies told about you by jews and lackeys, about the struggle you endure...
Sure, most might have believed it when we were kids...
But not anymore.
They never told us about the two villages massacred by muslim scum before Srebrenica.
I found out on my own.
Either way, our enemies deserve death.
Why be weak-willed and lenient towards enemies that seek our destruction?

I say f-u-c-k them. They all will die or leave Europa forever.

3There is a reasonably large Serbian population in Australia (about 100,000 or so) and they cause no problems for Australians. In Serbia they certainly seem to be more aware and ready to fight than most Whites worldwide. All in all a respectable group in our White Europe

 

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